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  • Masterchief117@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    The “rockets” you’re referencing aren’t the threat you’re trying to invoke. How many Israelis have been killed by Hamas rockets ever much less since October 7th? Maybe if Israel didn’t have a concentration camp outside of their city walls they wouldn’t have to worry about the threat of retribution?

    Better analogy is the Uvalde shooter also starved and killed kids in the school for generations. Then some of the starving children started throwing sharpened pencils.

      • cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml
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        1 year ago

        Answer the question. How many Israeli’s have died since October 7th from rocket attacks? Making unsubstantiated claims to show how dangerous the rockets are isn’t evidence of anything.

        • LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world
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          1 year ago

          The claims are substantiated. See the link in my response.

          The weapon was a misfired Hamas rocket.

          The 100+ victims were Palestinians who were at the hospital (parking lot I believe?)

          Those same rockets are being fired into Israel (Nearly or over) 10,000 since the conflict began.

          Hamas isn’t trying to tickle Israelis with those rockets. See the effect one of those rockets has when they hit a populated area.

            • LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world
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              1 year ago

              Because the goalpost is “the rockets aren’t a threat”.

              The same Hamas rocket misfiring and striking in Gaza can kill over a hundred people (500 people when they thought it was an IDF bomb).

              10,000 rockets with that potential for death and destruction have been fired into Israel by Hamas.

              The reason a Hamas rocket kills more in Gaza than it does in Israel is that Israel has bomb shelters for its civilians whereas in Gaza Hamas has made it clear that the tunnels and shelters are for Hamas.

              Your new goalpost seems to be “Israelis are good at seeking shelter and avoiding Hamas rockets, therefore the rockets aren’t a threat.”

              • Madison420@lemmy.world
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                1 year ago

                You just brought up unsubstantiated claims and then bring up the Gaza “misfire” that basically only the US and Israel say was a misfire.

                Perhaps though those are unsubstantiated isreali claims as well. And more than 10000 bombs have been dropped on civilian targets by Israel from the 7th to the 1st that Israel are winning to admit to.

                Gaza is not allowed bomb shelters. The ones under al shifa that isrealis built were sealed specifically so they couldn’t be used as bomb shelters.

                I don’t think that’s what they’re saying.

                • LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world
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                  1 year ago

                  Unsubstantiated claims

                  From the link I provided

                  Fighters in Gaza launched a barrage of rockets toward Israel and in the direction of al-Ahli Hospital 44 seconds before an explosion there that killed at least 100 people, according to a visual analysis by The Washington Post.

                  Video obtained from Israeli television channel Keshet 12 News allowed The Post to geolocate the origin of the barrage to a point southwest of the hospital in Gaza City, matching the rough location the Israeli military has alleged was the launch site of a misfired rocket that it said landed on the hospital grounds. Experts said rockets from that barrage would have been able to reach the hospital in time for the explosion.

                  Also

                  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061

                  We contacted 20 think tanks, universities and companies with weapons expertise. Nine of them are yet to respond, five would not comment, but we spoke to experts at the remaining six.

                  We asked whether the available evidence - including the size of the explosion and the sounds heard beforehand - could be used to determine the cause of the hospital blast.

                  So far, the findings are inconclusive. Three experts we spoke to say it is not consistent with what you would expect from a typical Israeli air strike with a large munition.

                  J Andres Gannon, an assistant professor at Vanderbilt University, in the US, says the ground explosions appeared to be small, meaning that the heat generated from the impact may have been caused by leftover rocket fuel rather than an explosion from a warhead.

                  Justin Bronk, senior research fellow at the UK-based Royal United Services Institute, agrees. While it is difficult to be sure at such an early stage, he says, the evidence looks like the explosion was caused by a failed rocket section hitting the car park and causing a fuel and propellant fire.

                  Mr Gannon says it is not possible to determine whether the projectile struck its intended target from the footage he has seen. He adds that the flashes in the sky likely indicate the projectile was a rocket with an engine that overheated and stopped working.

                  https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20231018-what-we-know-about-the-deadly-blast-at-gaza-city-s-al-ahli-hospital

                  US President Joe Biden voiced support for the Israeli position, telling reporters that “data” from the US Defense Department backed his assertion that Palestinian militants, not Israel, were to blame.

                  “While we continue to collect information, our current assessment, based on analysis of overhead imagery, intercepts and open source information, is that Israel is not responsible for the explosion at the hospital in Gaza yesterday,” National Security Council spokeswoman Adrienne Watson said on social media.

                  https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-10-24/a-reconstruction-of-the-al-ahli-hospital-massacre-in-gaza-that-set-the-islamic-world-on-fire.html

                  One of the photographers on the ground is Mohamed Saber, who distributed through the EFE agency one of the first images of the crater caused by the projectile that hit the Al Ahli parking lot. The hole, shallow and approximately three feet in diameter, forms an impact cone that goes from northeast to southwest. According to several experts, including U.S. military advisor Marc Garlasco, an expert in the investigation of war crimes, what hit the floor of the parking lot did not come from an airstrike. “Even the smallest JDAM [guided missile] causes a 3m [10-foot] crater,” Garlasco tweeted.

                  The United Kingdom echoes this conclusion, reports Rafa de Miguel: “On the basis of the deep knowledge and analysis of our intelligence and our weapons experts,” British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak told the House of Commons on Monday, “the British government judges that the explosion was likely caused by a missile, or part of one, that was launched from within Gaza towards Israel.”

                  The French investigations coincide with London and Washington. As reported by Agence France-Presse, the analysis carried out in Paris was even able to quantify the explosive charge that impacted the hospital at around five kilograms.

                  And even more to read here by following the references on the Wikipedia article:

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_Arab_Hospital_explosion#Rocket_vs_airstrike

                  • Madison420@lemmy.world
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                    1 year ago

                    All taken from Israeli sources and reporters on the ground after Israel took control and at the leisure of Israeli access and information control which it also states in your article.

                    Yes your article includes contractory information and again noted it’s inconclusive.

              • cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml
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                1 year ago

                You’re lying now just to avoid answering the question. The first person who replied to you said that the rockets were not the threat you were making them out to be. Get over being wrong and stop defending war crimes.

                • LordOfTheChia@lemmy.world
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                  1 year ago

                  I’m not defending Hamas Islamic Jihad killing over a hundred Palestinians at Al-Ahli hospital.

                  Are you?

                  Are you arguing the rockets are just fireworks? Just shot to provide a happy little light show and not intended to cause any death or destruction? All 10,000?

                  Would you be just as chill if one of those rockets were shot at your neighborhood? But don’t worry! You’ll get a 30 second warning to start running towards the nearest bomb shelter! You like running and getting your daily adrenalin pump, right?

                  • cecinestpasunbot@lemmy.ml
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                    1 year ago

                    How many times are you going to reply while still avoiding the question you were asked? I should start a betting pool lol.