Surveillance footage shows Hamas bringing hostages into Shifa Hospital on Oct. 7 - eviltoast
  • Leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Good grief, do you really not understand that some hospitals offer different types of treatment to others???

    Not all hospitals are set up for emergency treatment. Seriously.

    But lets (once more) give you the benefit of the doubt and say all those hospitals are the same size and offer the exact treatment that that one does…how does that establish that hospital as a major command centre for Hamas? That’s the IDF’s rationale for attacking that hospital after all.

    Look, I am not saying that hospital is a Hamas free zone, that no one form Hamas has ever been in it. I’m not even saying that it isn’t Hamas’ favoured hospital because of it’s location or maybe there are a few Hamas-friendly people on staff there. I mean, there is zero evidence for any of that but it’s a possibility, right? It’s also a possibility that you and the IDF are absolutely correct and it really is a major command centre for Hamas.

    What I’m saying to you is that, based on what the IDF have presented as evidence - none of it verified, and that which has been examined revealed to have been altered/edited and all of it completely shorn of any context by which we might be able to make inferences - there’s pretty much nothing to suggest it is/was.

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      1 year ago

      Sigh…

      Not all hospitals are set up for emergency treatment. Seriously.

      Hospitals in that part of the world aren’t organized by western standards. Besides which I doubt a hamas terrorist is thinking about a hospital’s quality of care, even if they knew it existed in the first place.

      What I’m saying to you is that, based on what the IDF have presented as evidence - none of it verified, and that which has been examined revealed to have been altered/edited and all of it completely shorn of any context by which we might be able to make inferences - there’s pretty much nothing to suggest it is/was.

      So I shouldn’t believe my lying eyes. I see

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        Hospitals in that part of the world aren’t organized by western standards.

        I’m not suggesting they are. I’m simply suggesting to you that no two hospitals offer the same level of services, or even the same services.

        Besides which I doubt a hamas terrorist is thinking about a hospital’s quality of care, even if they knew it existed in the first place.

        I’m pretty sure that, aside from a medical professional, a terrorist is the ideal person to ask about the services a hospital is capable of delivering.

        So I shouldn’t believe my lying eyes. I see

        Your eyes aren’t what’s lying. You’re lying to yourself if you genuinely believe what the IDF have presented as incontrovertible proof isn’t very severely lacking in just about every respect. They’ve literally been caught doctoring video.

        If the sides were reversed here…if a major hospital in Israel was being attacked and disabled by a vastly superior force and everyone in it either killed or forced to move because this force said a terrorist group had a major operational base there and they presented the exact same evidence as the IDF have, would you believe it then?

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          You seem to search for excuses to be right.

          a major hospital in Israel was being attacked and disabled by a vastly superior force and everyone inal it either killed or forced to move because this force said a terrorist group had a major operational base there and they presented…

          But, that’s not what happened. Israel took the hospital without harming anyone. Before that happened, they provided fuel for the hospitals generators which Hamas didn’t let them have. It stopped functioning as a hospital and the WHO shut it down.

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            If you genuinely believe that then us having this conversation is pointless. The IDF themselves confirmed they’d sent about 100 Commando’s and six tanks to the hospital which several days before had lost power and oxygen leading to multiple deaths. To spell it out to you, you send commandos and tanks to attack and intimidate, not have a pleasant chat.

            The fuel thing - I have no idea who to believe at this point. There’s no verified evidence either claim is true or untrue.

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              I imagine they did, yet no one was hurt in the hospital.

              There’s no verified evidence either claim is true or untrue.

              It’s funny. The video of Israelis delivering fuel was even on CNN. Must be my lying eyes again.

              • Leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                I imagine they did, yet no one was hurt in the hospital.

                Right, apart from the multiple deaths no one was hurt.

                It’s funny. The video of Israelis delivering fuel was even on CNN. Must be my lying eyes again.

                Yeah, I saw that too. Funnily enough, as I thought I was clear about, I wasn’t disputing they did. I was disputing why or how it was refused.

                Anyway, after that interesting little side mission, lets get back to the point. if a major hospital in Israel was being attacked and disabled by a vastly superior force and everyone in it either killed or forced to move because this force said a terrorist group had a major operational base there and they presented the exact same evidence as the IDF have, would you believe it then?