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  • TootSweet@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Fuck Biden and fuck Putin.

    (Even though I did vote for Biden in 2020 and plan to again in 2024 if he’s the Democratic nominee.)

    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Exactly this. Fuck this lesser of two evils that I have to vote for because two party systems suck.

      But no one is loud about that because it’s obvious.

      That said, he’s done some pretty ok things in office. He’s just also done some pretty horrible things. Net net, I think it’s been mediocre.

          • SlikPikker@lemmy.ca
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            1 year ago

            Strikes, occupations and uhm very persuasive in person arguments are some of the things that have worked historically.

            Bringing a Constitution and Guillotine did work out in the end for the Danish worker’s movement of 1848, when the king conceded. A violent uprising was averted.

      • damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        If you think two party system suck, just don’t hope for a multiparty system. Those suck even more. You never know which idiot will end up building a coalition and coming to power.

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          1 year ago

          yeah I don’t see much issue in that given the idiots we get now. At least the others have to juggle their coalition and are subject to no confidence votes and the opposition has a shadow cabinet ready to go.

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            The two party system also juggles coalitions, but we know them most popularly as voting blocks in the general population or caucuses in the parties. This is one of the reasons Sinema and Manchin held so much power from '20-'22. Our caucuses and voting blocks don’t always give power to individuals, but mostly to agendas.

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          1 year ago

          Could you point to an example of a multi party democracy that produced something as bad as trump? I’m not aware of any, but I’m not well versed.

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        1 year ago

        Voting for the lesser evil allows us opportunity to make real change at the community level. You don’t think leftist organizing is going to be easier with fascist in charge do you? (And yours is an honest question and you are organizing right? You’re not just spreading doom and making things worse?) You don’t think leftist organizing is going to be more successful with fascists in charge do you? Because while it might be true, this is called “accelerationism”, which is an extremely risky position.

        Those willing to risk the lives of minorities to make a point often appear to others with a more rational position to be privileged.