Communist parties are banned in Ukraine BTW. - eviltoast
  • Dr. Jenkem@lemmy.blugatch.tube
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    1 year ago

    Yup, my understanding is there is a lot of oil in Ukraine (I think donbas specifically but don’t quote me on that). And arguably more importantly, a major pipeline runs through Ukraine. My understanding is the EU is currently very reliant on Russian oil and they would very much like to not be. Hence, why Ukrainian membership to NATO is so attractive.

    I think a lot of people in the West dismiss Putin as a nutjob, but I think there is a rational reason for controlling Ukraine. Oil is Russia’s largest export after all.

    All of that isn’t meant to excuse Russia; it’s unethical to murder for oil. But it’s intellectually lazy to dismiss a rational actor (albeit an unethical actor) as crazy. But capitalism gonna capitalism. And until we put an end to capitalism, people are going to continue to murder for money.

    • TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      arrow-down
      13
      ·
      1 year ago

      Is Russia not the supplier of oil for Europe anyway? They are just rerouting it via India, knowing well they cannot have any alternative. I do not see the motive to “invade” Ukraine for “oil”. Russia is only fortifying Donbass as an independent state from Ukraine due to the horrors inflicted since 2014 US coup.

      • mashbooq@infosec.pub
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        8
        ·
        1 year ago

        It’s really not hard to understand. Ukraine discovered huge gas deposits in Donbass, which threatened Muskovy’s ability to control the price like they wanted. There was no US coup, and the horrors inflicted have been from Muskovy.

            • OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              3
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              Google “Jewish scholars double genocide myth” and be ashamed you’d ever use the phrase “red fash” and then do better.

              How does this antisemitism always show up in anticommunism? /s

              • mashbooq@infosec.pub
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                1
                arrow-down
                4
                ·
                1 year ago

                Shocking; redfash tries to silence their critics by accusing them of antisemitism with no justification or support whatsoever. Typical red herring from someone who has no real argument.

                • OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  4
                  arrow-down
                  5
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  1 year ago

                  Shocking: anti-communist denies allegations of anti-semitism while repeating nazi propaganda (Google “Jewish scholar double genocide theory” for more info on why equating communism and nazism carries water for nazis)

                  • mashbooq@infosec.pub
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    1 year ago
                    1. straw man, bc I never claimed double genocide, and 2) just bc double genocide can be used by Nazis doesn’t mean it isn’t true. Dialectics has really rotted your brain, comrade