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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/2614140
Also a Ukrainian communist i know confirmed it’s true
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/2614140
Also a Ukrainian communist i know confirmed it’s true
The holodomor was made into a genocide by hearst press, which was a nazi publication run by a nazi who literally met with Hitler to discuss pr strategy. When it first made its rounds in the US it became obvious that it was a fraudulent story. And now people are believing nazi propaganda that people in 1930s America (which was pretty supportive of nazism) saw through pretty quickly.
The famine was terrible, and there was incompetence abound, but after the soviet archives were unsealed even people like anti-communist historian Robert Conquest reversed their position on whether it was a genocide.
Comparing this to the murder of 11 million people that the nazis considered subhuman is disgusting.
USA has about 32 million murders under its belt, a lot higher than what Hitler did. Also remember how Hitler’s racial policies were inspired by USA, and how USA purposely hides its Native American genocide.
I’d like to see where you got that number of 32 million from, but for the sake of argument I’ll accept it. I don’t think it sounds completely unreasonable. That’s still centuries of killing being in the same order of magnitude as what the Nazi’s did in under a decade. The Nazi’s took everything the US does wrong and dialed it up to 11. That is worse. It is. The US has done more than it’s fair share of awful things. Yes, including genocide. It has never been as enthusiastic, brazen, or thorough about it as the Nazis were though. The Nazis were so evil even the United States looked at them and said that’s too much. Let’s not minimize what Nazis did just because they’re not currently in charge of any countries. We don’t want to go back to that.
Make a search about Hitler’s inspiration for racial policies. Within 5 seconds, you will see USA, and nothing else. USA is the worse one, considering the leftover Nazis flew to USA under Operation Paperclip, and some scattered across Europe.
Also,
What do you think I meant when I said “The Nazis took everything the US does wrong and dialed it up to 11.” I know all this. I’ve known all this for decades. You do not have to think the US is good to think there are things that are even worse. The world is not as simple as USA bad, therefore everything else not as bad.
USA is worse than Nazis. USA has not committed atrocity on just a chunk of people of one race, instead they have flattened and genocided multiple races, sects and countries.
The simple difference is perception manufactured by global media (80-90% of which is Western) today, where USA’s world domination is very much cheered as the default setting and final conclusion of this world under the European project (USA people are defected Europeans, original Natives got genocided mostly). Compare this to Nazi Germany, where they also had plans of world domination, but Allied Powers got the shit scared out of them and allied with USSR and China. Europe/US fascist empire today gives no fucks about Jews, other than the Zionists in Israel. If they gave a shit, USA would have bombed the shit out of Israel over their settler colonialism and genocide of Palestine. Instead, Putin warned Israel with exactly that threat to protect Palestine last year.
Man, I wish you were right. I wish this was the worst it could get. We don’t get to live in that world though.
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You are free to continue to believe nazi myths used to justify killing Jewish “collaborators” during the nazi occupation of Ukraine even after professional anti-communist historians have changed their mind on the issue.
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Rip to the Jewish people killed by folks who believed the same nazi propaganda you still believe.
Ok, gotcha. So the line at which the ideology is considered bad enough to be banned is below Holocaust, but above Holodomor. Nice to see it quantified
No, a party residing over a famine is not the line at which we should dismiss an ideology.
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You are free to continue to believe nazi myths used to justify killing Jewish “collaborators” during the nazi occupation of Ukraine even after professional anti-communist historians have changed their mind on the issue.
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