Starlink has become the 'blood' of Ukraine's communication infrastructure, but officials are reportedly growing concerned about relying on Elon Musk's tech - eviltoast

Ukraine’s digital minister has reported concerns about the country’s overreliance on Elon Musk’s Starlink satellite internet system amid the war with Russia, The New York Times reports.

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    They’re right to be concerned. There is simply no reason whatsoever to trust Elon Musk. He is an unhinged right wing extremist agitator.

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    They should be concerned. He has the mentality of a 5 year old and could just decide to cut off their infrastructure on a whim.

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    Starlink satellites make up the majority of satellites orbiting Earth

    This is so wild to me.

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      That’s just how impactful reusability is. Buying a tank of gas vs a new car.

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        Reusability has nothing to do with it. Hardly any of the rockets have been reusable (in terms of saving significant money on launches). It’s just that spacex is dumping enormous amounts of satellites in LEO. It’s going to become a huge problem when other companies/countries does the same.

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          Its only possible bc a launch is cheap enough for them to do it. Cost of of placing them in orbit is the whole reason there is a problem.

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            Yes, but that’s not because of reusability. They’re not at that stage yet (willl they ever?)

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                Yet the cost doesn’t go down. Spacex boss defined reuse as that the stage can be reused the next day with just an inspection. The reuse they avtually so is rebuilding it with the older parts. At least last time I checked the cost savings were just a few 10 % while they promised 90+

                Edit: did some more checking, and it appears third party(military and government) pay significantly higher launch costs ~100mill vs 60mill list price), so might be they’re subsidising the starlink cost by funneling money from the state.

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                  Wow, I wonder why SpaceX which has a monopoly on reusable rockets are charging as much as they can from their customers.

                  Lol, lmao even

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                  Cost didn’t go down because there’s no competition. They’re just pocketing the extra money. Why would a private company charge even less for something they’re already the cheapest and best at? Why not make extra money?

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          ULA I believe said reuse would be profitable for them after 12 launches. For SpaceX, it’s likely lower since they’re built more from the ground up for reusability. But they’re up to reflying 20 times, so it’ll be even more profitable for them.

          Also, starlink latches have been on older boosters, pushing the max reuses. So they benefit much more from reusability than the average falcon 9 customer.

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    The way you know that Elon is a chaos agent: now that this is reported, he will not feel the need or desire to assure them of his good intentions; he’ll say some crazy, bombastic shit and then do something unhinged and blame the Ukrainians somehow.

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    I’m not saying this is happening, but it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if we found out that Musk was leaking any and all traffic from Starlink, including Ukraine military comms, in the name of “”“free speech”“”.

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      That not really possible though. In the same way your isp can’t see what YouTube video you’re watching, encryption stops musk from seeing what the military sends to each other. Unless of course the Ukrainian military doesn’t to the whole security thing, which is doubtful.

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      I hate musk as much as every self respecting person, but this isn’t possible. These systems are designed to run over the Internet, and thus heavily encrypted.

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        Ah, well, “designed to run over the internet”. Okay then. I guess no ISP has ever been able to MitM intercept traffic.

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          Yes, designed to run over the internet, as in they use end to end encryption, which has long been the way of defeating MitM intercepts.

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          That’s literally what I’m talking about yes. Well done. The internet is essentially open traffic and that’s what “designed for the internet” has to deal with, so you encrypt and kill mitm attacks in many many ways.

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        Well his own child disowned him for being a transphobic piece of shit. So I guess we could start there…

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            His constant lies about his products maybe? Like how we’re on year 6 of “all Tesla’s will be self driving” and it still hasn’t happened?

            Or the roadster that still doesn’t exist and we’ve had no updates on. Or the truck that’s years overdue and has been beat to market by several others.

            Or Hyperloop that he’s now admitted was purely to try to kill HSR development in California.

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        He hasn’t let me down, all the satellites we have launched w/ him went perfectly. But only having one line of comm’s in a war is insane. Thats the point I was making, not shitting on Elon.

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    They’re right to. He might start cutting service off to those who express the rights over their own body.

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    yeah, I can understand.

    like, if this were, say, 1942 and I wanted to take aspirin for my headache, I’d try to find another manufacturer than Bayer.

    I still do, for that matter.