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The post Xitter web has spawned so many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this. A lot of people didnāt survive January, but at least we did. This also ended up going up on my accountās cake day, too, so thatās cool.)


Continuing on the theme of nerds misreading culture, hereās Asimov with abundant sour grapes about Nineteen Eighty-Four
https://www.newworker.org/ncptrory/1984.htm
Via HN, where no-one bothers commenting on the fact that the piece is hosted on a Marxist-Leninist, anti-revisionist website.
I donāt think I disagree with much of what Asimov is saying here! Aside from the silly bits about left infighting and scifi as forecasting (yawn), and the horrible recount of the Spanish civil war, Iāve made pretty much the same observations about 1984. Itās nihilistic and reactionary, itās profoundly misogynistic and it reeks of contempt for the working class. Itās also shockingly naive and paradoxically enthusiastic about the workings and effectiveness of propaganda and censorship. Thereās certainly nothing prescient about it. Itās baffling to me that itās still popular with leftleaning people to this day.
The most generous thing I can say is that the book might have been intended purely as satire, and as such it would at least be coherent. But sadly I donāt think this is how people tend to read it.
Sour indeed. There are some decent observations in there. He correctly notes that the book is dissing Stalinism specifically. Newspeak never became a real problem and superficially similar phenomena donāt mean language is losing its expressive power. And yes, those depictions of working class people have more than a whiff of classism to them.
Then thereās a lot of complaining about leftist infighting. Itās pretty appropriate for this to be hosted on that site. Itās only anti-revisionism if it comes from the Vanguard Party region of Marxism-Leninism, otherwise itās just sparkling sectarianism.
Better organized than the POUM, Iāll give it that. āWon outā is an interesting choice of words to describe any republican faction in the Spanish civil war.
And then thereās the cringe. No robots and computer? My stories have robots and computer because itās impossible for someone to always pay attention to spying a bunch of people. The panopticon doesnāt work, actually, because even if at anytime someone could be watching you, they couldnāt possibly be watching you all the time unless they have robots and computer. Also why isnāt this dystopian society more feminist?
The thing is, the world in 1984 is feminist! as imagined by a bloke who hates feminism. Sex for pleasure is outlawed, makeup and dresses are banned, women look and act like men (and indeed are worse than men) instead of following their womanly nature. Itās a feminist dystopia!
I mean, if god damned Asimov thinks your book is misogynistic, you know youāve fucked up!
Orwell had Julia working in the novel factory - where machines spliced together romance trash pablum for light entertainment. So he accurately prophesied LLMs.
never heard of wokeness, i see
Thereās a letter in the book of Asimovās correspondence that his brother edited where Asimov says that heād been asked āHow close are we to George Orwellās 1984?ā again and again in the years leading up to 1984, to the point that he was sick of it and dreading the actual year 1984, when no one would ask him about anything else. I figure he had a lot of venom built up in his system that came out here.
He was also a veteran of science-fiction fan club drama, after which he worked in academia, so yeah, he knew sectarian in-fighting.