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  • SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    Who are the slaves in your countries?

    Speaking for my country, uh idk, don’t think anyone here’s a slave. Occasionally you hear of some sketchy work practices, usually involving underpaid immigrant workers at restaurants but those issues are quickly dealt with.

    How many societies had to be destroyed for your country to become what it is now?

    None as far as I’m aware. We were first exploited by the swedish empire and later by the rus*ian empire. After which we were destroyed twice by soviets and barely scraped against the nazis. So I’d say we were on the colonized side of history rather than the exploiting colonial one, the swedish speaking population here still owns way more than the rest of the country - relatively speaking - as often is the case in exploited countries as old money never really dies out even if the underlying society progresses past it. Of course I’m glossing over a ton of historical events here and straightening out corners, but I’m happy with the answer.

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      1 year ago

      You’re still in the honeymoon phase with capitalism. You’ll see in a few decades.

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        1 year ago

        Czechoslovakia was leaning capitalist and prosperous before the Nazis and then Soviets invaded, both leaning much more leftist, and surpressing the people.

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          1 year ago

          The nazis are leftists now? That’s basically political illiteracy.

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            1 year ago

            In my opinion yes, but you’re free to have your own definitions for left and right since historians and economists alike disagree on their definitions too.

            My definitions are basically, leftistism is collective control of the means of production. Rightism is individual control. The left is therefore a much more broas category as collective control can take a ton of different forms.

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                1 year ago

                Yes they were. They were corporatist, and exercised significant control on the economy.

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                  1 year ago

                  So you are actually equating a central authority with political left! That is very interesting to see how far the liberal propaganda went to brainwash people.

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                    1 year ago

                    I’m equating central planning with leftism yes. Because no one denies a free market is right-wing, so leftism must contradict that.

      • SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
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        1 year ago

        Damn it is hard for fascists to admit being wrong, isn’t it? Looking at yours and the other guys’ squirming is nearly cringe.

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          1 year ago

          Well, I’m living in a country that’s turning fascist. It prides itself for being the country of the human rights yet it’s being condemned by EU human rights tribunal regularly.

          In 50 years it was on a turbo run for liberalism. What this gave us is more poverty, more riches inequalities, less public services, mental health problems, and fascism might be our next government. Congratulation capitalism! Go on!

          I’m not advocating for fascism btw. But it is a fact that the winners or capitalism are turning their countries into fascist ones.

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            1 year ago

            So it was liberal, and everything was good, and now it’s turning fascist and everything’s turning bad?

            Read my first messages again now and think.

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              1 year ago

              Read my first messages again now and think.

              The irony here is palpable.

              I think you fail to realize liberalism has multiple contextual definitions, depending largely on location, and that neoliberalism is largely criticized by progressives.