An Insane Number of Gen Zers Support Hamas's Oct 7 Attack - eviltoast

original title: ‘An Insane Number of Gen Zers Support Hamas’s Slaughter of Innocent Israelis’

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    Hamas is the new Viet Cong. Plain and simple. They both were founded to fight for the liberation of their respective countries from neocolonalism. Hamas isn’t any more “terrorist” than Che Guevara.

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      Hamas is just like the original “Indian savages” who “unprovokedly attacked settlements.” “Terrorist” is a slur.

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    Just look at the Black Lives Matter chapter that responded to October 7 attacks by showing “solidarity” with the Palestinians, not Israel, and even positively depicting the hang gliders that were used by Hamas terrorists to kill civilians.

    Why are these crackers surprised? The only colonized folk who can’t see the 1:1 parallel going on are the ones who either got caught in the Trump-flavored Sunken Place, or the mercenaries who shuck, jive, and tom for the DNC; misleading their own for pay. And honestly, after Amerika’s history of brutal colonization and continued-into-this-day genocide, they’re all on fentanyl if they think after what this nation has done to my family and my community, I’d ever cosign either their military empire-flavored neocolonialism, or Israel’s actual-lebensraum colonialism.

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      Lol solidarity in quotes, like even when they talk about their opponents having solidarity with each other they still have to also double-backflip remind their liberal audience that solidarity is a silly nonsense thing made up by dumb foreigners, and that real, serious, effective adults are always supposed to have a knife behind their back when they smile and shake each other’s hands, because to imagine things can be better is childish and naive (and therefore deserving of the knife I just planted in your back).

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    Awesome Gen-zers understanding the context and history in which an event happens unlike goldfish-brained bourgeois press “journalists”

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    “Do you support Hamas?” Is an insanely biased question which should not have been chosen considering Hamas is not the only liberation organizations, Israel’s war is on the Palestinian people as a whole, not just Hamas, and most people probably support Palestine but have been agressively propagandized to hate those “terrorists.” Nonetheless, glad to see my generation is so based.

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      This, exactly. Do I endorse Hamas’ entire political program and orientation? I don’t know Hamas intimately, or their current internal debates, or whatever, but it’s still safe to say no. I’m a secularist, an egalitarian, a socialist, etc., etc. But I recognize— as do the People’s Front for the Liberation of Palestine, for example— that Hamas currently plays a leading role in the armed resistance to the Israeli settler-colonial project in general and the occupation of Gaza in particular, as well as running all of the basic civil services (such as they exist) in Gaza.

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        My thoughts exactly! If ever there was a perfect case where critical support is called for, this is it. We support them specifically in their struggle to liberate Palestine and protect the people of Gaza. Beyond that it is no secret that we have a number of ideological and political disagreements with that group.

        The trick that the Zionist propagandists in the western media are trying to pull is transparently clear: they are trying to equate the entire Palestinian liberation struggle with the ideology of one particular liberation group. And like everything they do, this too will backfire on them. All that this does is legitimize said group’s ideology, not discredit the Palestinian struggle. Because no sane and empathetic human being can help but side with the Palestinian cause.

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          ever there was a perfect case where critical support is called for, this is it.

          I’ve spent the last two years critically supporting the Russian Federation, which is like the critical support version of training with ankle weights on. Hamas is a feather.

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            Totally agree, I have practically no qualms with Hamas compared to other organizations I critically support. This does not, however, mean my support is uncritical for I have ruthless criticism for all that exists.

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      That’s what “critical support” is supposed to be for - I support Hamas in their struggle against Zionism, but have critiques that I’m keeping to myself for the moment because they’re less important than defeating the Zionist entity. I’d be willing to discuss those critiques among other supporters, but when my comments are public facing and the enemy is watching they don’t get to hear my hot takes.

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      It is interesting how many Western European emigrants do not understand the irony that their justification of the intentional killing of innocent people of color with the hope to kill terrorist suspects within a crowd of innocent people are the very form of terrorism are they are complaining about. I guess that media indoctrination with the hero myths did brainwash the Western European diaspora to support state terrorism against innocent civilians, but then condemn this same attacks by resistance fighters in their hypocrisy. There is also the authoritarian practice by the Western European diaspora to torture terrorist suspect until the suspect say what the torturers want them to say which contradicts their Liberal slogan of rule of law and democracy.

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    Generally I’ve been able to compartmentalise my insanity when reading mainstream sources pretty well. But with Gaza I just can’t take it. Even though Isreal is openly run by genocidal far-right ghouls, the idea that maybe their intention is to do ethnic cleansing doesn’t even get entertained. Eventhough they mostly agree that taking Hamas out militarily can’t be done. Do they think the Isrealis are stupid and don’t know this?

    I’ll here people go on about how dangerous and crazy the Iranians and their ‘proxies’ are because they are fundamentalists. Motherfucker, that’s Isreal, that’s the US too. Israelis are literally using genocidal bible quotes to justify their actions. Maybe, just fucking maybe they want to do ethnic cleansing.

    People that used to go on about how horrible the Russians were for bombing civilians will now call Isreal’s actions ‘impressive’. Fucking imperialist pigs.

    I swear to God, this place is the only one I can stomach to visit for updates without it cometely ruining my day.

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    I do get some encouragement seeing things like this, or the students protesting who didn’t back down even when their future careers were threatened.

    The fact that they saw through the incredibly biased framing of the question especially.
    “said they side with the terrorist group that just earlier this month purposefully targeted and slaughtered innocent civilians.”. There’s not even the hint of trying to be journalists anymore with them.

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        The “opinions” section is just so they can backpedal if they need to, if they actually held opinions that the staffers at the paper disagreed with, they wouldn’t be allowed to put them there.

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        Intellectual integrity applies to everyone publishing shit for a general audience, even if journalistic integrity does not

        Also, like, the paper is still publishing it

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      It’s true, we’ve been planting surplus Gen Zers into your subconscious the whole time, you’re now several thousand of them and we’re all very proud.

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        I guess it does kind of explain why when I try to search for “heat blankets to help with back pain” my computer only ever shows me 14 000 simultaneous instances of the same viral TikTok Fortnite dance video.

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    original title: ‘An Insane Number of Gen Zers Support Hamas’s Slaughter of Innocent Israelis’

    Not pictured: The innocence of the citizens of an occupying force

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    Tbh when you force people to choose between Israel and Hamas without even having a “no answer” option most people are gonna be afraid of choosing Hamas, especially when you frame them as genocidal baby beheading r*pist terrorists in your prior questions. But half of any western demographic saying they support Hamas is genuinely pretty surprising, this just means a fairly worded poll on Israel v Palestine would have a clear anti-zionist majority for young people

    Do you think the Hamas killing of 1200 Israeli civilians on Israel can be justified by the grievances of the Palestinians?

    18-24: 51% justified

    Haha holy shit

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    Other generations should also be on the side against dropping jdams on children’s hospitals but yeah, of course the older Gen that benefited from imperialism won’t see it that way

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      I’ve been off of mainstream social media for all of this, so my view is limited. But all of the people I’ve been talking to regularly IRL, I’ve been educating or conversing with about this conflict as I educate myself. And so far, across 3 generations, everyone has been pretty receptive to the history and facts, and some are even open to reading a couple books on Palestinian history with me. All of them see the basic justness of the Palestinian cause.

      I think there are at least some people within every generation who are still ignorant but could yet receive the truth.

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        That’s just basic empathy. Anyone who actually looks at the facts will have sympathy for the Palestinian people. The problem is how most MSM is just repeating lies, and same with social media. At least dissident voices (with such obvious correctness) are given a chance on these sites, unlike in the past.

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          Absolutely. It’s a fortunate thing that nowadays we have a greater capacity than ever to break through the propaganda and access that empathy, and hopefully turn it into widespread international pressure that can strengthen the Palestinian liberation struggle.

          If you can convince friends and family members to examine the facts with you, you can make progress towards that end— occasionally even in unexpected places.

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      It is important to note that the older generations in the Wetsern European diaspora had depended on the enslavement and inheritance thief of Indigenous children in fake schools that began in 1850s and suppoedly ended in 1998 which provided the older generations of immigrants, especially European immigrants, a huge amount of luxury for little work although they falsely attributed their luxurious lives to their own merit. There is no way for the older generations of Western European diapora to understand the savagery and filthy mentality of their violent culture when they benefited greatly from racist double standards.