Hamas has spent years stockpiling desperately needed fuel, food and medicine, as well as ammo and weapons, in the miles of tunnels it has carved out under Gaza.
It’s… complicated. There is a back and forth through out history.
I’d say the British are the most responsible for the current situation, but it really doesn’t matter. People need to just be able to live, and nobody should have the right to claim land for a religion to the exclusion of anyone else.
This land is for religion X and nobody else… these people are wrong, and only create violence. (yes, that includes most of our current participants in today’s war).
The thing is the morality of the issue is not that complicated.
It’s as complicated as the genocide of native americans and their expulsion into “reservations” where they still lack the same access to infrastructure, healthcare, education as the rest of the country today.
As complicated as apartheid south africa or the irish republicans.
The history is complicated in the sense that it is war with many atrocities and injustices. But the root of the issue, the cause for all these atrocities that the colonialists suffer in retaliation is colonialism.
Sure, there was a wronged party, and many students will get their PhDs in analyzing guilt and documenting atrocities.
The USA is still in no hurry to give back land to the Native Americans. They are as sorry as all heck… but the practical reality is they want to continue to exist, and are not willing to give up anything strategic for historical purposes.
The key to life is, the past is informative, but not important, the future is what is important. Living in peace but wronged is better then dying right in war.
Right, but when someone asks me who I stand with on these conflicts, it’s not the English, the Boers or the English (again).
The native americans, the Zulu, the IRA all committed terrible things on the colonialist civilians as well. And yet when you ask today who was in the right to fight the war that was fought, it’s those parties. Never the colonialists.
The problem is that you’re Americanising this conflict.
There are Israeli Arabs, Druze and Bedouin that lived in the region for centuries and are now happy to identify as Israeli (look online for Arab Israelis for Israel. Get out of the echo chambers). There are Jewish families that have been there since the Roman empire.
On the flip side there are hundreds of thousands of Palestinians that migrated to the region in the 1930’s and 40’s, their family names today still indicate their family origins in Tunisia, Egypt, Iraq etc.
If you really want to dive down the historical rabbit hole of the region we’ll be here for hours, but trying to frame this conflict as a white colonisers vs indigenous people is historically and factually incorrect.
But is it incorrect? You have people from Staten island and California move into an arab families home today and the IDF will protect them and the family whose home just got occupied better not twitch a muscle too abruptly. You’re painting this as if I have to draw from long settled history to support my argument, I don’t.
But this displacement has been going on for close to a hundred years now. The establishment of the State of Israel had the zionist militias empty out villages and force the people into the desert trail of tears style. Like the establishment of any other colonial state and not just the US, but like the examples I mentioned before so I don’t know where this “americanising” is coming from, South Africa, Ireland, Congo, Haiti and many many many other countries before Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4upvoxP9-kg
It’s… complicated. There is a back and forth through out history.
I’d say the British are the most responsible for the current situation, but it really doesn’t matter. People need to just be able to live, and nobody should have the right to claim land for a religion to the exclusion of anyone else.
This land is for religion X and nobody else… these people are wrong, and only create violence. (yes, that includes most of our current participants in today’s war).
The thing is the morality of the issue is not that complicated.
It’s as complicated as the genocide of native americans and their expulsion into “reservations” where they still lack the same access to infrastructure, healthcare, education as the rest of the country today.
As complicated as apartheid south africa or the irish republicans.
The history is complicated in the sense that it is war with many atrocities and injustices. But the root of the issue, the cause for all these atrocities that the colonialists suffer in retaliation is colonialism.
Sure, there was a wronged party, and many students will get their PhDs in analyzing guilt and documenting atrocities.
The USA is still in no hurry to give back land to the Native Americans. They are as sorry as all heck… but the practical reality is they want to continue to exist, and are not willing to give up anything strategic for historical purposes.
The key to life is, the past is informative, but not important, the future is what is important. Living in peace but wronged is better then dying right in war.
Right, but when someone asks me who I stand with on these conflicts, it’s not the English, the Boers or the English (again).
The native americans, the Zulu, the IRA all committed terrible things on the colonialist civilians as well. And yet when you ask today who was in the right to fight the war that was fought, it’s those parties. Never the colonialists.
Are you asking for Palestinians to accept apartheid?
Clearly not, the only solution is to work toward equal rights and shared economic development for all people living in the same area.
Religious wars, ethnocentric states, apartheid are unsustainable and only lead to violence.
The problem is that you’re Americanising this conflict.
There are Israeli Arabs, Druze and Bedouin that lived in the region for centuries and are now happy to identify as Israeli (look online for Arab Israelis for Israel. Get out of the echo chambers). There are Jewish families that have been there since the Roman empire.
On the flip side there are hundreds of thousands of Palestinians that migrated to the region in the 1930’s and 40’s, their family names today still indicate their family origins in Tunisia, Egypt, Iraq etc.
If you really want to dive down the historical rabbit hole of the region we’ll be here for hours, but trying to frame this conflict as a white colonisers vs indigenous people is historically and factually incorrect.
But is it incorrect? You have people from Staten island and California move into an arab families home today and the IDF will protect them and the family whose home just got occupied better not twitch a muscle too abruptly. You’re painting this as if I have to draw from long settled history to support my argument, I don’t.
But this displacement has been going on for close to a hundred years now. The establishment of the State of Israel had the zionist militias empty out villages and force the people into the desert trail of tears style. Like the establishment of any other colonial state and not just the US, but like the examples I mentioned before so I don’t know where this “americanising” is coming from, South Africa, Ireland, Congo, Haiti and many many many other countries before Israel.
You’re mixing Gaza and the west bank.
This is about Gaza and Hamas. The IDF had no presence in Gaza for 20 years now and Israel has not displaced anyone from there since 1967.
Unless your argument is that Hamas represents all the Palestinians everywhere?
I am not mixing anything you said yourself that the gazans are displaced people.
Really? that’s odd, where did I say that?
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