The fact is there are fewer women in STEM because fewer women go into STEM.
And of course, that has nothing to do with the discrimination women face even trying to get into STEM, and how men actively try to push them out while they’re still students! That’s not at all indicative of a systemic and well-known problem at all!
I am not at all surprised that an apparent tech bro does not see how tech bros stepping over women is a problem.
If you’ve ever talked to women in tech, they’ll tell you how badly they were treated by male students and sometimes even by teachers, trying to get them to wash out. Literally talk to any woman in tech.
But I kinda suspect they won’t actually tell you, because we know from experience how a certain type of dude will minimize and try to rationalize away everything we say, so we won’t talk to dudes like that about it.
That wasn’t my experience in engineering at all. One woman I graduated with in Civil Engineering was elected President of our Tau Beta Pi chapter for the whole engineering college. We had professors that verbally wished there were more women in engineering.
And some of those professors trying to get women to wash out? They are after the men, too. Many college have “gatekeeper” classes to ensure that only qualified candidates make it. For instance in my engineering program, lots of men as well as some women (proportional to the few women that took them) washed out after not being able to pass Statics or Dynamics. Those are just the nature of those courses
If you’ve ever talked to women in tech, they’ll tell you how badly they were treated by male students and sometimes even by teachers, trying to get them to wash out.
I’m from Germany and after graduating from highschool, if you have sufficent grades you can choose to take another 3 years of school for a better diploma. These extra 3 years are often specialised for some topics, for example IT.
Now, there are no IT lessons in regular highschool. We did learn how to type, but that was about it. So there is really no way that women could have “pushed out” of IT in anyway, because it was never a subject.
Yet, of the roughly 120 studends that signed up for IT school, there were about 7 women.
Seems like there must be some other reason, because they definitly weren’t pushed out by other students or teachers.
And of course, that has nothing to do with the discrimination women face even trying to get into STEM, and how men actively try to push them out while they’re still students! That’s not at all indicative of a systemic and well-known problem at all!
I am not at all surprised that an apparent tech bro does not see how tech bros stepping over women is a problem.
How do men push them out while students? You generalize a lot. I certainly never have.
And I am no tech bro. I just don’t get how you can deem a man sexist for trying to get a job.
If you’ve ever talked to women in tech, they’ll tell you how badly they were treated by male students and sometimes even by teachers, trying to get them to wash out. Literally talk to any woman in tech.
But I kinda suspect they won’t actually tell you, because we know from experience how a certain type of dude will minimize and try to rationalize away everything we say, so we won’t talk to dudes like that about it.
That wasn’t my experience in engineering at all. One woman I graduated with in Civil Engineering was elected President of our Tau Beta Pi chapter for the whole engineering college. We had professors that verbally wished there were more women in engineering.
And some of those professors trying to get women to wash out? They are after the men, too. Many college have “gatekeeper” classes to ensure that only qualified candidates make it. For instance in my engineering program, lots of men as well as some women (proportional to the few women that took them) washed out after not being able to pass Statics or Dynamics. Those are just the nature of those courses
I’m from Germany and after graduating from highschool, if you have sufficent grades you can choose to take another 3 years of school for a better diploma. These extra 3 years are often specialised for some topics, for example IT.
Now, there are no IT lessons in regular highschool. We did learn how to type, but that was about it. So there is really no way that women could have “pushed out” of IT in anyway, because it was never a subject.
Yet, of the roughly 120 studends that signed up for IT school, there were about 7 women.
Seems like there must be some other reason, because they definitly weren’t pushed out by other students or teachers.