Trump Signs Order Calling for Citizenship Proof to Vote in Federal Elections - eviltoast

The net effect would be to deny a huge number of Americans the ability to cast a ballot.

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    There are no federal elections. There are state elections for Congress and for presidential electors.

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      The plan is explicity to force states to change their rules by illegally withholding money from them and their citizens until the states change their rules

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    Registration to vote already requires proof of citizenship. There is no reason to also require it each time someone votes, except to create additional barriers.

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    How about clearance proof for fucking group chats first, asshole.

    Nice try at distracting. This should be everyone’s immediate response to this. Fuck this ass clown.

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      It depends on how you interpret it, but the most strict interpretations could actually require a passport to vote. Which is just asinine.

      Also worth noting that he doesn’t actually have the authority to do this; Elections are left up to the individual states. But if nobody actually stops him from doing it anyways

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        I’ve used passports as IDs before and had dumb-ass hicks freak out becaused they’d never seen such a document. One time, I had to search my luggage for a driver’s license. And good thing it’s not from New Mexico. My mother had all kinds of shit about that when doing business travel to various bass-ackward parts of the US. “Durr, is that a country?

        Yeah, bud, I can see why you’re so confused when it says “STATE OF NEW MEXICO” right on it.

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          New Mexico license plates specifically say “New Mexico USA” because so many New Mexican residents kept getting pulled over for having “foreign” plates when traveling throughout the US.

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        In Europe you need an official ID to vote (almost?) everywhere. The difference is that they are easy to get and everyone has them.

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          The issue is that the US doesn’t have any national ID system aside from passports. Each individual state runs their own ID system, and they set their own requirements for those IDs independently. So IDs in one state may be much easier to get than in a neighboring state.

          The US also has a long history of using voting laws to disenfranchise minority voters. Back when black people were given the right to vote, many states enacted laws that required literacy tests or ballot taxes for anyone who didn’t own land. These were designed specifically to prevent black people (mostly former slaves who were never taught to read, who didn’t own land, and who couldn’t afford the tax) from voting. Those were eventually ruled illegal, so states simply pivoted towards requiring tests for IDs instead. Requiring documentation that slaves didn’t have (like birth certificates) and requiring a fee be paid for the ID. This effectively put a gate on the ability to vote, without explicitly requiring a test or tax to vote. Basically, if an ID requires a tax and test, and voting requires an ID, then voting implicitly requires a tax and test. But since it was a step removed from actually testing or taxing the voters, the courts didn’t find it illegal.

          So with that history in mind, Americans (at least those who know the history and aren’t racist) tend to get squirmy whenever voter ID laws are brought up. Because voter ID laws are almost always backed by some sort of implied racism. For instance, many minorities need to jump through extra environmental hoops to get an ID. Cities (where many liberal voters live) tend to have inadequate facilities to actually process all of the people trying to get IDs. But rural areas (where conservatives tend to live) often have nearly no wait times because they are properly staffed and funded. If a liberal person in the city wants to get an ID, it often requires taking an entire day off of work for it, because wait times are measured in hours instead of minutes. So by making IDs harder to get for liberals, they effectively gate liberal votes.

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    And the return of Jim Crow has begun. Next they’ll probably require proof of some minimum level of tax payment.

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    This is just another way for him to claim that any election which doesn’t go his way is fraudulent