He was a liberal darling and tech god, even during Trump’s first term and a large part of Biden’s.
I always thought that was kinda fishy, and that teslas were really elitist and economically wasteful, but man, he had a following and loads of people worshipping him. I have whiplash, and I can only imagine how that conditioned him.
The lesson is: don’t worship people, especially living people. Even religious texts push forms of this, but that part seems to have been lost.
Because the model 3 is about 4000lb, and the higher tiers are even heavier. They’re all super expensive, even with tax breaks. The “comparable” cars are like huge luxury vehicles or massive SUVs.
That’s the nature of pure EVs. The drivetrain may be light, but the battery is extremely heavy.
If they were eco friendly, they’d have tiny (I’m talking like 5 horsepower) cheap, ridiculously gas efficient range extenders in them instead of massive batteries, which correspondingly needs a massive chassis, suspension, fire protection systems, higher power charging and control electronics and so on. That’s the nature of the EV: they’re like rockets, where you pay exponential costs for carrying more mass around because the “fuel” is so heavy. And that’s setting aside the production costs of something so massive.
And they’re mostly outfitted, and sold as, luxury vehicles, with the corresponding economic costs.
…Don’t get me wrong, I think EVs are incredible, the philosophy behind teslas is cool… But a 4000lb+ compact car, or a 6,600lb personal truck, are not economical or environmentally friendly, however you slice it.
The problem isnt nessecary telsa. Its the american culture. ‘Economical’ cars are looked down unpon. What sells is big trucks, suvs, or luxury cars. Telsa would had no chance of sucess if they didnt atleast appeal to the culture.
Not saying compact EVs cant have some sucess, the chevy bolt and nissan leaf are examples. But the amount sold are a drop in the bucket compared to the model 3…
https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10567
I’m not American but having been to a few American cities. Boy do they really not give a shit about transportation outside of cars. Things can feel far apart and separated by so many lanes when you step away from the big cities.
How are Teslas “economically wasteful” compared to other cars of a similar size?
“How are Teslas economically wasteful compared to other economically wasteful things?”
Don’t move goalposts.
Teslas, like all cars, are absurdly wasteful on an absolute scale. And it has fuck-all to do with the energy needed to propel them, by the way; the real waste is in the way they force cities to be ruined to shoehorn them in.
Having known several people who “snapped” and watching Musk for more than a decade, it really seems to me like that’s what happened in his case. But I’m not psychologist. Few people on social media seem curious about the nature of behavior and motives, most just want to feel like warriors against Evil.
Of course when powerful people snap the consequences for society can be terrible - this is why I believe in capping individual wealth. But I don’t know why it’s such a grievous offense to humanize the Darth Vaders of real life even the slightest bit. I think people are afraid not having a brutal hardline attitude about the bad guys is a sign of weakness - same old caveman shit as rednecks really.
He was a liberal darling and tech god, even during Trump’s first term and a large part of Biden’s.
I always thought that was kinda fishy, and that teslas were really elitist and economically wasteful, but man, he had a following and loads of people worshipping him. I have whiplash, and I can only imagine how that conditioned him.
The lesson is: don’t worship people, especially living people. Even religious texts push forms of this, but that part seems to have been lost.
How are Teslas “economically wasteful” compared to other cars of a similar size?
Because the model 3 is about 4000lb, and the higher tiers are even heavier. They’re all super expensive, even with tax breaks. The “comparable” cars are like huge luxury vehicles or massive SUVs.
That’s the nature of pure EVs. The drivetrain may be light, but the battery is extremely heavy.
If they were eco friendly, they’d have tiny (I’m talking like 5 horsepower) cheap, ridiculously gas efficient range extenders in them instead of massive batteries, which correspondingly needs a massive chassis, suspension, fire protection systems, higher power charging and control electronics and so on. That’s the nature of the EV: they’re like rockets, where you pay exponential costs for carrying more mass around because the “fuel” is so heavy. And that’s setting aside the production costs of something so massive.
And they’re mostly outfitted, and sold as, luxury vehicles, with the corresponding economic costs.
…Don’t get me wrong, I think EVs are incredible, the philosophy behind teslas is cool… But a 4000lb+ compact car, or a 6,600lb personal truck, are not economical or environmentally friendly, however you slice it.
The problem isnt nessecary telsa. Its the american culture. ‘Economical’ cars are looked down unpon. What sells is big trucks, suvs, or luxury cars. Telsa would had no chance of sucess if they didnt atleast appeal to the culture.
Not saying compact EVs cant have some sucess, the chevy bolt and nissan leaf are examples. But the amount sold are a drop in the bucket compared to the model 3… https://afdc.energy.gov/data/10567
I’m not American but having been to a few American cities. Boy do they really not give a shit about transportation outside of cars. Things can feel far apart and separated by so many lanes when you step away from the big cities.
This is fair.
Ugh, I hate how it’s big cars or nothing here, even in the city.
“How are Teslas economically wasteful compared to other economically wasteful things?”
Don’t move goalposts.
Teslas, like all cars, are absurdly wasteful on an absolute scale. And it has fuck-all to do with the energy needed to propel them, by the way; the real waste is in the way they force cities to be ruined to shoehorn them in.
Yeah cars are economically wasteful, that’s obvious. I was just pointing out that that applies to all cars, not just Teslas.
Having known several people who “snapped” and watching Musk for more than a decade, it really seems to me like that’s what happened in his case. But I’m not psychologist. Few people on social media seem curious about the nature of behavior and motives, most just want to feel like warriors against Evil.
Yeah, it reminds me of Kanye West.
It’s a bit different when someone with so much power “snaps” though.
Of course when powerful people snap the consequences for society can be terrible - this is why I believe in capping individual wealth. But I don’t know why it’s such a grievous offense to humanize the Darth Vaders of real life even the slightest bit. I think people are afraid not having a brutal hardline attitude about the bad guys is a sign of weakness - same old caveman shit as rednecks really.