Do you not understand how people work or something?
Nobody is saying there has been “no progress anywhere”. But they’ll still be upset when there is little progress, or backsliding, on issues that affect them or that they are passionate about.
It’s really quite condescending to waffle on about how suffering people need to look at the big picture, and how it’s unreasonable to expect their suffering to be alleviated during their lifetimes, when there really isn’t a good reason why they should be suffering as much as they are to begin with.
I was specifically responding to someone who said “things don’t change”. It sure sounded to me like “no progress anywhere”. Sorry if my response upset people, but I simply cannot agree that things don’t change.
I’m not disparaging progressives in the slightest, I’m saying we get some wins sometimes. We do succeed in improving things sometimes.
Just telling you how you read to others. Especially with the weird “That’s what it seems like people are hoping for anyway, some kind of problem-free world. It is unrealistic.” type comments.
You read like someone chastising people for being angry that their issues haven’t received redress.
So, what’s the difference between “things don’t change” and “things will not change”?
Thinking that things won’t change with Murdoch’s retirement is not the same as things never change anywhere.
I can see that, but I think it should be pretty clear that the one disparaging progressives is the one saying things will not change, even though the mission of progressives is to change things.
My position is a more complicated one that requires some thinking about, but it is fully consistent with wishing for and fighting for an improved world.
Don’t you think it might just be a little reasonable to wish for, not a perfect, problem-free world, but one that is simply improved over the one we have? I think by setting our expectations a little more realistically, we can help avoid a lot of the harmful, negative emotions that have gotten so common, and that don’t really do much to help due to how de-motivating the sensation of hopelessness can be.
Ah, direct personal attacks and insults instead of a single rational counter-argument. I almost thought this was going to be a real conversation. Ah well, maybe I should’ve known better.
Do you not understand how people work or something?
Nobody is saying there has been “no progress anywhere”. But they’ll still be upset when there is little progress, or backsliding, on issues that affect them or that they are passionate about.
It’s really quite condescending to waffle on about how suffering people need to look at the big picture, and how it’s unreasonable to expect their suffering to be alleviated during their lifetimes, when there really isn’t a good reason why they should be suffering as much as they are to begin with.
I was specifically responding to someone who said “things don’t change”. It sure sounded to me like “no progress anywhere”. Sorry if my response upset people, but I simply cannot agree that things don’t change.
The actual message was:
Yeah I think people are upset because you are attacking positions nobody is taking, and disparaging progressives in the same breath.
I’m not disparaging progressives in the slightest, I’m saying we get some wins sometimes. We do succeed in improving things sometimes.
So, what’s the difference between “things don’t change” and “things will not change”?
Just telling you how you read to others. Especially with the weird “That’s what it seems like people are hoping for anyway, some kind of problem-free world. It is unrealistic.” type comments.
You read like someone chastising people for being angry that their issues haven’t received redress.
Thinking that things won’t change with Murdoch’s retirement is not the same as things never change anywhere.
I can see that, but I think it should be pretty clear that the one disparaging progressives is the one saying things will not change, even though the mission of progressives is to change things.
My position is a more complicated one that requires some thinking about, but it is fully consistent with wishing for and fighting for an improved world.
Don’t you think it might just be a little reasonable to wish for, not a perfect, problem-free world, but one that is simply improved over the one we have? I think by setting our expectations a little more realistically, we can help avoid a lot of the harmful, negative emotions that have gotten so common, and that don’t really do much to help due to how de-motivating the sensation of hopelessness can be.
Removed by mod
Ah, direct personal attacks and insults instead of a single rational counter-argument. I almost thought this was going to be a real conversation. Ah well, maybe I should’ve known better.
I’ve written multiple responses to you addressing what you said. So kindly pull your head out of your arse. Insufferable debatebro.