Something that I realized about the fediverse is that you seem to be able to criticize the USA as a whole, but if you criticize the Democrats you get downvoted. Democrats suck they are not sacred cows - eviltoast
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    1 day ago

    It’s not that they suck. My problem with them, as an independent, is they’ve positioned themselves as the moral high ground party while in fact they have no moral leg to stand on. Their leadership had a historic moral test when it comes to the Gaza genocide and they failed it. They had another test to put a great candidate to prevent another Trump presidency, but they bowed down to their corporate masters and picked Kamala.

    It’s that level of fundamentalism and holier than thou attitude that alienates many people like me. They have zero fighting tactics against Republicans besides clutching pearls and shaming. Kamala’s website up until the election day had no “agenda section”. You can’t really tell what her campaign is about. I guess she’s perfect enough and shouldn’t be questioned, otherwise “racism and sexism”.

    They need a complete reset and redo of the party and its principles. Until then, I’m a non voter.

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      19 hours ago

      How could they replace Harris with anyone? The primary voters picked Biden/Harris and Biden stepped down so how do they select someone else? The new candidate would need to fundraise as the Biden/Harris campaign can’t immediately dismantle and shift all funding to the new candidate at the drop of a hat. The new candidate would have had to make the connections to the delegates the Biden/Harris campaign had already done.

      How do you think they could switch candidates to someone other than Harris months before the election?

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      I’m not disagreeing with anything you said but a non-voter is a trump voter.
      This is the reality you now face.
      You do understand how the trolley problem - and your electoral system works?

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        14 hours ago

        Very familiar with the trolley philosophical problem, thank you. But you’re arguing the lesser of both evils point of view, again. Which is not an excuse anymore. With all due respect, but it’s a horrible half-assed defeatist mentality that will never create any meaningful change. And yes, I’m very familiar with the electoral system, and the popular vote. Both of which clearly wanted Trump to win. Denying that this was what the majority of America wanted is delusional. What we should focus on is why on earth did the majority pick such a horrible president (Trump)? I’d love to see Democrats take on that self reflection and come up with better messaging and policies instead of acting like us independents owe them a vote…And no, “racism and sexism” ain’t it either.

        I’m reminded by this quote from my one of favorite authors (Hunter S Thompson) in 1972:

        “How many more of these stinking, double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote FOR something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils?” ― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72

        We’re in 2025. Neither Trump nor the Genocide-supporting DNC deserves to be in power. That’s what a non-vote is.

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          And yet one of them is.
          I am not from Australia had have no say. You did - and yet you did nothing. I understand it is hard to support something you fundamentally disagree with but the lesser of two evils is still better (eg: no Palestine resorts).
          No one will agree with you or me on every policy, we are being asked to choose.

          BTW We have our own fascism problems here & donkey/informal voting is rife. Bad things absolutely could happen here.

          Edit: I am from Australia

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        22 hours ago

        A non vote is a non vote. A vote for “neither of these”.

        Abstinence is not a sexual position, either.

        And you understand we need to stop the trolley, not vote for people holding down the throttle, right?

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          Maybe there is a cultural difference because of our “compulsory” voting.
          I’m sure there are plenty of aussies that would agree with you but I feel a bit like: