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    if the junk food isn’t replaced with equal calories from healthy veggies, for the same amount of stamps

    It won’t be. This just ignores the fact that one of the reasons junk food is popular is because it’s cheaper than ready-to-eat healthy food.

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      The actual problem: Many parts of America are food deserts where people do not have access to affordable nutritious food. This problem is exacerbated for those below the poverty line who may not have access to a vehicle.

      But solving that problem is hard so it’s just way easier to make sure that poor people aren’t allowed to buy the food that is accessible to them. Making desperate people even more desperate… I’m sure that wont have any unintended consequences.

    • 𝓔𝓶𝓶𝓲𝓮@lemm.ee
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      Well, I have dozens of healthy food programs ideas but I guess shortage of ideas isn’t the problem.

      From my experiences with junk food diet, you feel extremely bad on it and when you are in hard situation you probably need to be in prime brain fitness without junk food brain fog. Prolonged junk food feels like intoxication almost.

      So I think providing such vitamins and micro-elements for cheap/free should be very important to overall strategy of pulling people out of poverty.

      If such were provided then discontinuing junk food support would be a next logical step.

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      But of course many much smarter people figured it all out ages ago already. What ‘left’ solid folks fail at is they don’t immediately understand that empathy and good plan isn’t enough but you need marketing.

      In their honesty they often fail to see the appeal of the shallow and the allure of the superficial. All the skills alt right excels at.

      They do not easily see or aren’t willing to, that you often need to trick or even lie or manipulate people to be in the position to do good things and/or to do them effectively on a big scale.

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        Yeah I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how the left is so aware of the fact that we’re correct we sometimes forget to actually sell it. We’re a plain bottle of salicylic acid on the shelf next to a full display of the latest and greatest 100% genuine snake oil

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      The alt right rise is nothing else but a failure to sell a solution to the future obstacles. People aren’t fundamentally racist, stuck up or bigoted. They just buy the only thing that is left on the barren political market. The one that gives them hope. Even if it is only a cheap trick of some ‘patriotic’ demagogue.

      There was once a time, very brief, when Elon Musk wasn’t a complete jackass. A brief time when people were watching rocket starts with awe that instilled hope in them. Hope in the vision of the better future. If we could rally people around this idea, that the future of humanity is bright, tolerant and abundant, that we can become something noble and beautiful, then that I believe would be a uniting force we need. Challenges, sure but worth solving because of what we can become if we succeed.

      Climate scientists do not understand the reaction of average person when they tell them “We must lower our CO2 footprint”. The response is Why? It isn’t a question about what will happen but the question of motivation. People ask “What is the reward of solving it, what will I have from it?”. Of course scientists are pissed at such questions and throw a snarky answer.

      What will an average person have from fighting climate change? You will have future of thriving great nature and an abundance of basic goods provided by it. You will experience unity that was achieved by solving great problems together. You will have plethora of technological wonders that come from focused collaboration of human beings. You will have a victory, not merely containment of defeat.

      We won’t make America great again. We will make America greater than it ever was before.

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        Much as I hate Scott Adams now, there was a time when he wasn’t a complete jackass.

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        People aren’t fundamentally racist, stuck up or bigoted.

        Yes, at least some of them are. Don’t be this naive. You could make the argument even that most of MAGA are EcOnOmiCalLy AnXIoUs but (trigger warning: Godwin’s Law) so were most nazis. SOME people really are like that.

        There was once a time, very brief, when Elon Musk wasn’t a complete jackass. A brief time when people were watching rocket starts with awe that instilled hope in them.

        That was called marketing and it sold a lot of Teslas. No one who will do a nazi salute is capable of delivering the utopia future you describe. Anyone who would do a nazi salute is definitively always a jackass.

        Otherwise I agree and really do appreciate this kind of hopefulness. I really think what you’re saying is correct and important. It’s just, well, those two SLIGHT bits of contention… Sorry.