What we are fighting for is not ‘utopian’ or unachievable. Trumpism can and must be defeated - eviltoast

Bernie is 100% right now, we can’t count on the Dems in DC. The working class is going to have to fight this one.

It’ll require a lengthy grassroots effort from the working class any its allies. At the moment, anything you can think to do is the right thing to do until a proper movement coalesces. Get out and try things. And bring your friends along for the effort. That’s how movements like this get going.

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    Did their polling tell them to go around the country with Liz Cheney? Did their polling tell them to have a giant rally in Texas? Did their polling tell them to piss off the Teamsters? They either didn’t want to win, or they’re incompetent, and they need to start looking at themselves instead of blaming the voters they didn’t get.

    Realistically Trump is a terrible candidate, and they now lost 2 out of 3 elections to him because they want to run as Republicans light instead of appealing to their traditional base of labour.

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      Pissing off teamsters stands out. But Liz Cheney was one of the few calling trump out. Got no issue with that. Regardless nothing you said is a valid reason to sit out this election.

      Given how more registered voters sat out the election than voted for trump… Your Liz Cheney bs isn’t worth it.

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        Liz Cheney is a metaphor for their continued attempts of trying to convince Republicans to switch instead of getting the traditional base out. No Republicans switched to Democrats because they never do, and a whole bunch of traditional constituencies sat out the election because it looked like whether you voted for Democrats or Republicans, you ended up with Republican policies either way.

        It’s always been the case that the Democratic voters need to be excited, while Republicans basically just go to every election and vote the same way (Trump being an exception who managed to get some traditional non-voters to go to the polls in addition to that). If the leadership of the Democratic party chose to keep doubling down on the strategy of going after the mythical antifascist Republican voters for multiple elections, failing every time, that’s not due to the voters, or the ‘left’, that’s entirely the fault of leadership.

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          This is a good explain. The evil man does figures into it. The apathy is there and the republicans are the desert and no one wants nothing.