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      Lol, liberalism just isn’t a vibe or a neat slur to throw at people who don’t embrace every single one of your ideologies. It’s an actual political and economic theory proposed by John Locke, built around free market capitalism.

      American politics have reshaped the national understand of the word liberal to suit their bi-polar view of geopolitics. But if we utilizing recognized geopolitical terminology, all liberals are proudly free market capitalist.

      I don’t really even understand your use of the word if it isn’t recognizing the difference between the preferred economic systems. If liberals aren’t capitalist, what is your problem with them? In your “understanding” of the definition, can a person be a liberal and a socialist?

      I suspect you don’t really understand political theory very well.

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        Of course liberals support capitalism and cannot be socialist. The problem is that capitalist is simply not the word for someone who supports capitalism in the same way that socialist is the word for someone who supports socialism. It’s an unintuitive language quirk, but not a unique one.

        If we were to redefine capitalist to mean “everyone who supports capitalism” we need a new word for what capitalist means. And considering “everyone who supports capitalism” is a group consisting basically only of liberals and fascists, I don’t see why such a word is necessary. 99% of the time you would use this redefined form of capitalist, liberal would be sufficient.

        I suspect that you are a pig with shit on its balls

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          Of course liberals support capitalism and cannot be socialist. The problem is that capitalist is simply not the word for someone who supports capitalism in the same way that socialist is the word for someone who supports socialism. It’s an unintuitive language quirk, but not a unique one.

          Sounds like a long way to explain you’re understanding of geopolitics is based in vibes…

          If we were to redefine capitalist to mean “everyone who supports capitalism” we need a new word for what capitalist means. And considering “everyone who supports capitalism” is a group consisting basically only of liberals and fascists, I don’t see why such a word is necessary. 99% of the time you would use this redefined form of capitalist, liberal would be sufficient.

          Why would we need a new word? You have drawn a distinction between people who support the capitalist system and “capitalist” but you haven’t given a reason why, or even your definition of the meaning of “capitalist”. You are talking out of your ass.

          is a group consisting basically only of liberals and fascists

          Post WW1 that’s generally the make up countries supporting capitalism. Liberals who support free market capitalism, and fascist who utilize state controlled capitalism as a means to gather support for their party.

          I don’t see why such a word is necessary. 99% of the time you would use this redefined form of capitalist, liberal would be sufficient.

          Maybe if you are allergic to nuance, or being correct? The reason we differentiate between these ideologies is because there are large differences in how they operate as a state. You can’t apply the same revolutionary strategies on a fascist state as you would with a liberal one, they vastly different in hierarchical structure.

          I suspect that you are a pig with shit on its balls

          We both identify as leftist, an ideology built upon bringing people together in unity to stand against empire. You have to wonder what’s the real point of the constant purity testing and gate keeping I keep seeing in these instances. How effective of a leftist are you if you spend so much time labeling other leftist as libs?

          This type of attitude is the same reason a lot of the socialist organizations I’ve been a part of in the last 20 years have fallen apart. Combative egos and strict adherence to dogma instead of actually providing mutual aid and open discord.

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            You’re just going on giant hostile rants because you can’t admit that you don’t know the basic definition of the word capitalist and then accusing me of “gatekeeping” and “purity testing” because I do know the definition of that word

            A capitalist is a member of the class which owns the means of production under capitalism. Your racist Vietnam vet neighbor John isn’t a capitalist no matter how much boot he licks or how shitty he is.

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              capitalist is a member of the class which owns the means of production under capitalism.

              You are talking about the ownership and management class under capitalism…

              Saying only managers and owners are the only people who can be capitalist is like saying only kings can be monarchist.