This is the entire issue. You’re assuming there’s some horrible outside pressure to make characters ugly, so you’re in favor of outside pressure to make them attractive.
I am not assuming there is outside pressure. Among other things, the articles criticizing games for unrealistic body standards and the negative reviews of otherwise good games from “game journalists” are public. (note that reviews are recommendation for which games to buy, so giving bad review as a journalist is the same as saying not to buy a game)
It’s marketing.
Ok, so in your interpretation, the Game producer/developer I am criticizing tricked me into criticizing them. Then fuck them. They reap what they sow and I still want to express I am opposed to what they pretended happened.
Among other things, the articles criticizing games for unrealistic body standards…
That’s totally unrelated to being ugly. Can people with normal shaped bodies not be attractive to you? Do you only get off to hentai?
You can find a games journist saying practically anything. Who cares? Don’t give the ones you don’t like views.
Ok, so in your interpretation, the Game producer/developer I am criticizing tricked me into criticizing them.
Maybe, but that’s not what I meant. I meant the people behind Stellar Blade were saying they weren’t censoring was pure marketing. It was stupid bullshit. No one was trying to censor them. It’s like yelling out “I’m going to eat this burger” and acting like you’re standing up to something, when no one was asking you to stop. Sure, it worked to make the stupid incels buy it, but it didn’t mean anything. They were going to make the sexy character regardless, because they knew those people would buy it, and the “not censoring” thing was just icing on the cake.
There are games that try to rage-bait too though. The incels yelling about it is free PR. Most people don’t give a shit, as long as the game is good. They wouldn’t even know some of these games existed without the rage though. The people angry about it were never the target market anyway, so it doesn’t cost anything.
You can find a games journist saying practically anything. Who cares? Don’t give the ones you don’t like views.
I just explained why I believe we shouldn’t let pressure from one direction be unopposed. So no, I will not ignore them. And yes, it absolutely is pressure, when bad reviews from several large sites try to lower sales and deprive devs of money they earned.
So do you care about people putting pressure on game devs or not? You can’t have it both ways where we should just ignore one group but the other one is an issue.
That’s totally unrelated to being ugly. Can people with normal shaped bodies not be attractive to you? Do you only get off to hentai?
What people get off to or what you find attractive is completely unrelated to whether it is what the devs wanted to make.
Also, you bringing this up and throwing around words like hentai and incel really makes me doubt that you want no pressure on artists in general, rather than just being opposed specifically to more “over-sexualized characters” or “beautiful characters” or whatever you want to call it.
I meant the people behind Stellar Blade were saying they weren’t censoring was pure marketing.
I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say. What does that have to do with anything?
No one was trying to censor them.
So the last minute changes appeared themselves? Or the devs voluntarily made them, for some reason after already shipping some physical copies and after saying they would not make those changes? (whether for marketing or other reason) Consistently across multiple outfits? Together with other censorship-like changes, such as blood splatter reduction/removal? Unlikely.
I am not assuming there is outside pressure. Among other things, the articles criticizing games for unrealistic body standards and the negative reviews of otherwise good games from “game journalists” are public. (note that reviews are recommendation for which games to buy, so giving bad review as a journalist is the same as saying not to buy a game)
Ok, so in your interpretation, the Game producer/developer I am criticizing tricked me into criticizing them. Then fuck them. They reap what they sow and I still want to express I am opposed to what they pretended happened.
That’s totally unrelated to being ugly. Can people with normal shaped bodies not be attractive to you? Do you only get off to hentai?
You can find a games journist saying practically anything. Who cares? Don’t give the ones you don’t like views.
Maybe, but that’s not what I meant. I meant the people behind Stellar Blade were saying they weren’t censoring was pure marketing. It was stupid bullshit. No one was trying to censor them. It’s like yelling out “I’m going to eat this burger” and acting like you’re standing up to something, when no one was asking you to stop. Sure, it worked to make the stupid incels buy it, but it didn’t mean anything. They were going to make the sexy character regardless, because they knew those people would buy it, and the “not censoring” thing was just icing on the cake.
There are games that try to rage-bait too though. The incels yelling about it is free PR. Most people don’t give a shit, as long as the game is good. They wouldn’t even know some of these games existed without the rage though. The people angry about it were never the target market anyway, so it doesn’t cost anything.
I just explained why I believe we shouldn’t let pressure from one direction be unopposed. So no, I will not ignore them. And yes, it absolutely is pressure, when bad reviews from several large sites try to lower sales and deprive devs of money they earned.
So do you care about people putting pressure on game devs or not? You can’t have it both ways where we should just ignore one group but the other one is an issue.
What people get off to or what you find attractive is completely unrelated to whether it is what the devs wanted to make.
Also, you bringing this up and throwing around words like hentai and incel really makes me doubt that you want no pressure on artists in general, rather than just being opposed specifically to more “over-sexualized characters” or “beautiful characters” or whatever you want to call it.
I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say. What does that have to do with anything?
So the last minute changes appeared themselves? Or the devs voluntarily made them, for some reason after already shipping some physical copies and after saying they would not make those changes? (whether for marketing or other reason) Consistently across multiple outfits? Together with other censorship-like changes, such as blood splatter reduction/removal? Unlikely.