What are the bad patterns of Reddit to never repeat on Lemmy? - eviltoast

A few examples include s*x questions on askreddit, “this” comments, nolife powermods, jokes being more frequent than actual answers

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    Needlessly censoring words like sex. It wasn’t necessary on Reddit and it certainly isn’t necessary now.

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      Censorship like that was introduced to make the platform appealing to advertisers. I’d say just don’t give power over how to run the platform to advertisers.

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      karma (or upvotes-downvotes aka simple karma) shouldn’t be a reason to disallow someone from using a lemmy community

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          I don’t agree, /s is immensely useful for neurodivergent people, some of which cannot recognize sarcasm at all.

          Also, really often something that is “obvious sarcasm” for you is a genuinely held belief by someone online. Nothing is too ridiculous for the internet

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            Maybe internet forums aren’t the best place for people that can’t recognize context.

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                Apparently reddit and lemmy are the only places they socialize, so whatever.

                • richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one
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                  Do you active dislike neurodiverse people or you just prefer to surround you only with people you can relate to?

            • richieadler@lemmy.myserv.one
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              Just because you don’t care about certain groups of people who are not actively damaging for the world, that doesn’t mean that they should be excluded from here.

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    Reddit became too America focused. Most of the posts were about America or assumed everyone reading was American. It felt very exclusionary.

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      I think this will remain a problem on any platform that includes enough Americans. The general public in America just seems unaware of anything outside America.

      I think this stems from their education system, what they (don’t) broadcast on mass-media and how normal and even laudable they consider fanatical nationalism to be (did you know they require children to swear devotion to the nation state every day at school!?).

      In any case, I don’t think this is a problem that any platform that wants to include Americans can avoid.

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      I saw this complaint on reddit a lot, but at the end of the day, it was a US based site. Of course there will be mostly Americans and they will default to that understanding.

      Also, the US is a large country. It’s not like Europe where you’re a day trip away from 5 other countries. Most Americans can’t afford travel outside the US, so they only have exposure to the many cultures within the US.

      The hate Americans get for not catering discussion on a US based site to the global community is really what’s strange.

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          I’m curious, which part is a myth? I only see facts and not all of them paint America as great.

          These things exist elsewhere, besides. Just not always in “the West.”

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              Let me simplify this. Would you go to a forum with an address in .ar and complain that the discussion doesn’t pertain to you? You wouldn’t, but you are just blindly hateful of Americans for whatever reason.

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                  America is far from a monolith. Our states roughly equate to different European countries with vastly different cultures, foods, rights and laws.

                  We just speak dialects that are almost all the same and roll up under one political entity. It is not so dissimilar than the EU, otherwise.

                  We are, in many practical terms a forced confederation with a shared Constitution. There are those, like in the EU, who want out.

                  Edit: the shared single language is one of our under-recognized super-powers. I can travel this huge land mass and communicate viably everywhere. It is key to our cultural impact. It is accidental, but helpful to us. Except when we have people who dislike our impact and become hostile.

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              Which Americans are you talking to? We know there are other countries and cultures. We just aren’t responsible for learning deeply about all of them. No one is.

              You’re using some strong, broad strokes that aren’t reflective of my experience at all.

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      Yes, thank you. Excessive prudishness and self censoring is always an indicator to me that a community is going a weird direction.

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    Not just frequent jokes, but those annoying ever-repeating jokes. Like as if 80% of users were the same person. Before opening any post on Reddit, there is a good chance to be able to correctly predict the exact content of a significant portion of the comments. I get that it can be funny to an individual to come across stuff like “I also choose this guys wife” or “And my axe” more than once. But for people like me, who did not just start using the website, it is really annoying to come across the same jokes literally hundreds of times.

    This goes hand in hand with the general idea of a “Reddit hivemind”. Depending on the subs you visit, you can see that Reddits userbase is actually really diverse. There are people from every demographic with all kinds of different life experiences. But in a lot of subs, anytime a woman is mentioned there is a flood of people acting like as if there are no women on the internet and as if no person using Reddit could have a girlfriend. Again, I get that it can be funny once or twice. But when the idea that every user must be a typical “Redditor” gets repeated all the time it’s just annoying. Needless to say that I don’t look forward to being called a “Lemming” on this site.

    Also, repeating comments on the same post. Obviously you don’t have to read all the comments if there are already hundreds of them. But if there are too many comments saying the exact same thing it just gets harder to read them all. So it would be nice if people would look whether the point they want to make maybe has been made already. They can increase that comment’s visibility by upvoting. No need to make other people read the same content multiple times and by that make it harder to read different comments.

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      Lol everyone should go read the couple of posts on the community / magazine with the same name. Hilarious seeing people so triggered by people pointing out that the name is a bit problematic.

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        IIRC, it started of as a joke and an explicit nazi reference to make fun of PC gaming fanboys, and then they just embraced it without understanding the context?

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          The usual cycle of edgy jokes. They start off as mocking a group of bad actors, then those same bad actors miss the joke and take on the term for themselves without irony.

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          the origin is this exact video: https://youtu.be/P0dXtOVi2yo

          There was a second factor in its creation that most people have forgotten, involving a power-tripping mod on /r/gaming. People were posting their gaming setups (both consoles and PCs) when one mod decided to ban all pictures of gaming PCs for a very stupid reason. So PCMR got a lot of initial subscribers from leaving the “dirty console peasants” behind, with that mod’s stupidity held up as a representative of the console community. Hence the joke, especially the “superiority” jokes.

          The sub was created specifically because of the joke. It’s always been a joke. Who honestly believes that which system you choose to game on is a genetic or racial trait anyways? It’s a ridiculously exaggerated take on the “console wars.”

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    Making all these posts on Lemmy be about another site.

    The community won’t flourish if the only thing people are talking about is their social-media ex.

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      To make the ex metaphor. Talking shit about your ex is not productive but talking about what was wrong or didn’t work can be very insightful. Entirely blocking your ex out of your mind is a pretty easy way to make the same mistakes again.

      I can see why people think it’s annoying but I think this is also a good thing. Talking about this helps people understand what they want to see in their communities or instances.

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    This is 100% old-man energy, but I dipped back over to reddit after a week or so and man did I forget how many completely random acronyms get thrown around there… FW, TIL, ELI5, FWIW, IANAL…

    Don’t even get me started on ETA, which should mean “estimated time of arrival”, but has instead been used to mean “edit to add”, even though just putting EDIT means the same thing??

    I see that kind of stuff a lot less here, and I’m assuming it’s a mix of older audience and smaller user base, but so far it’s been so much nicer actually understanding what everyone is saying here.

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    Cross community censorship: For example on Reddit you wrote a comment in subreddit A (maybe even a negative one for that topic!) and then subreddits B, C and D permanently ban your account. If someone starts with that crap again they should be shunned.

    Oh and verified users only communities, that sucked too.

      • 🇰 🌀 🇱 🇦 🇳 🇦 🇰 ℹ️@yiffit.net
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        Fr. The crying about defederating this or that I see from all kinds of instances when browsing everything is already giving me a bad taste. If you don’t like something, block it your own damn self. Jesus fuck. You can block communities. You can make your own personal instance just to black/white list instances themselves for now if you want to be that widespread with blocks. You can probably find a tool to mass block as a regular user and not need that. You could just browse by subscribed and never see anything you didn’t add again. So many things you, an individual, can do to curate your own shit without affecting every other user on the instance.

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          Any instance that hosts r/coontown2.0 or similar can get fucked in my opinion. Defederate immediately. If they want to play they can have standards.

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    I hope to see less song lyric comment chains on completely unrelated posts. Also I don’t know why, but I always hated the whole, ‘my partner, let’s call them blank (not real name)’ thing.

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      The thing about comment chains is you can collapse them so don’t see anything wrong. Let people have their fun and sense of connection with strangers on the internet.

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    Ragebait. It’s boring and pointless, and it brings out the worst in everyone. I never understood the appeal of being a “troll” though, so idk.

    Something else I don’t miss, and maybe this is a little more personal, but often when I would try to participate in a conversation, my comment would get auto-removed for some rule/etiquette based reason I could never really wrap my head around. Like, derailing? I thought I knew what that meant, but had comments removed when I was like, “yeah that answer really resonates with me too! My 123 is xyz.”

    Lemmy so far has been much more welcoming to the neurodiverse and I appreciate the organic, freeflowing nature of conversation here.

    Obviously, if someone’s being provocatively hateful / an obvious troll, then nuke 'em.

    But if people are just trying to join in on the conversation, don’t be a pedantic dick about exactly what kind of conversation is allowed. It had gotten to the point where I was afraid to comment at all for fear I’d be doing it wrong.

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      I think being a troll should go like this, and I’ll use the wiae Tom Scott’s words here because he summed it up pretty well

      “it turns out that while mocking the government is a reasonably good gag, mocking the government and then having the government not find it funny, that is a really good gag.”

      The moral here, don’t just troll random people with lives to life. Troll the government and arsehole corporations.

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    I have exactly zero confidence that these or other bad pattern will not emerge as the community grows larger

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      You do spend a lot of time parroting made up things about people.

      Maybe don’t walk the duck walk if you don’t want to get called a Nazi?

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        Thing is, Im not. Its just normal shit like “we should heavily punish companies who hire illegal immigrants”

        Thats no where near being a Nazis.

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            A dozen people died. A lot more were injured. How were they not violent?

            Actually, scratch that. Define violence.

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              I don’t need to educate you, do it yourself.

              Per capita, more people are assaulted at protests in front of abortion clinics. Or on public transit. It’s propaganda and parroting it is the reason people will call you a nazi.

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                I didn’t ask you to educate me. I asked you what you thought violence is. It certainly doesn’t line up with the rest of us.

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          https://lemmy.world/comment/823087

          There’s some terf shit.

          Like grow some empathy. Hormone treatment isn’t for transitioning. It’s for reducing morbidity in patients and is prescribed on that basis. Fear mongering side effects is the same as poo pooing chemo because it makes your hair fall out.

          If you are sad that your bigot opinions get you called a nazi, maybe it’s on you not to share these opinions. I don’t go chewing my clients ear off about startrek, it’s the same principal they aren’t a welcoming audience.

          Maybe if you are still going to talk about these things, contrast the things with middling results to the things with the best results, not some boogeyman unknowns.