Niche Communities won't be able to reach their true potential until lemmy adds a sort that takes engagement into account. - eviltoast

No matter which sort you use (except for new), content is recommended to you by activity. Depending on the sort (active, hot, top) it uses a slightly different mixture of votes/comments/time since post to determine the order.

The only exception is scaled, which boosts a little bit midsized communities, but still doesn’t manage to improve visibility of niche ones.

If lemmy is to truly start having active hobbyist communities instead of being 95% lefty US politics, Shitposts, and some tech stuff, it needs a sort that takes into account the user’s engagement.

For example, if I upvote / comment often in a community, there should be an option to have posts from the community be boosted in my feed, even if it’s a tiny community.

Let’s say I’m subscribed to !world@lemmy.world and !news@lemmy.world because I want to occasionally see news. However, I’m also subscribed to a couple hundred other communities, some of them who don’t manage to get more than a couple upvotes on their biggest posts. And whenever I see them I’m replying/upvoting because I’m passionate about that topic.

My feed shouldn’t be 95% c/news and c/world because those are the most upvoted and commented. I shouldn’t have to scroll down hundreds of posts to find “big” posts in small communities I interact with at any opportunity I get.

That’s why I think it would be beneficial to lemmy if the sort/algorithm took into account your engagement in a way.

It doesn’t have to be complicated, you can have a single number “engagement score” for every community calculated with a basic formula, and that number is used as a boost to the community.

I’m aware that there are some examples of successful niche communities on lemmy. But that’s mainly because either a significant chunk of the lemmy userbase is into that niche (let’s face it the lemmy community is not a representative sample of the world population, we tend to be very similar people), or because the posts on it are simplified image/video type posts which appeal to people who don’t know much about the subject.

  • iso@lemy.lol
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    I agree that fediverse needs a personalized “explore” page in general. For example, this is the only plus feature of Bluesky over Mastodon (in terms of technology). It is obvious how big difference it makes.

    I generally avoid the evil algorithms found on other social networks, but I hope we see that in Lemmy.

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      Good algorithm should:

      • be open-source for users
      • be togglable
      • boost engagement boost on positive emotions
      • be personalized
      • promote niche communities
      • promote balanced political debate (probably the hardest)
    • Kichae@lemmy.ca
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      Blackbox echo chamber generators really should be avoided. They add to the angst and anger of the Internet, and of society.

      Community search could be improved. And people should learn to actually use it, rather than being spoon fed whatever some programmer they’ve never met thinks they should eat based on the last 3 things they clicked on.

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        Community search could be improved.

        This isn’t a community search problem. I absolutely should NOT have to intentionally visit every single niche community that I am already subscribed too.

        The USER needs a way to control their feed, either by throttling large communities or boosting smaller ones.

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      Mastodon has a pseudo-algorithm (sort of, unless there’s a better name) in the Search/Explore -> Posts view, which shows you posts that are trending on your instance. I wonder if Lemmy can come up with something similar based on your instance activity