Take that pesky liberals! - eviltoast
  • AliSaket@mander.xyz
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    4 hours ago

    Other than this meme ridiculously implying that if only the pro-Palestine vote would have gone to Harris instead of Trump, then Harris would have won (two ridiculous claims not backed by the reality of the data): Can we please stop with that notion, that the Democrats are trying to stop what’s going on in Palestine and finally see it as the US foreign policy that it is? Who has the power in that relationship? Without the US, Israel has a fraction of its weapons, billions of dollars less for their own civil programs and no shielding from international law. Don’t act like the Biden administration has been genuinely trying to stop a genocide, when they:

    • are supplying weapons (Biden even circumventing congress in at least one case)
    • continuing payments
    • are spreading debunked Israeli propaganda even after they’re debunked while ignoring or actively delegitimizing information to the contrary
    • actively bomb the Huthi’s who attack ships headed for Israel (also with weapons)
    • vetoing or threatening to veto anything that furthers international law on that matter in the Security Council
    • diplomatically and threatingly shielding Israeli threats to the ICC and ICJ
    • actively delegitimize the ICJ and their decisions openly
    • are threatening countries with sanctions if they don’t adopt outrageous laws and standards redefining anti-semitism and cracking down
    • are pressuring countries to tow the line with zionist support
    • … (list is not extensive)

    This behavior isn’t new. International law didn’t matter, when the US offensively brought death and destruction to Afghanistan and Iraq and as a result again in Iraq and Syria. Or when they did the same with the EU in Lybia,. Or when they supplied Saudi Arabia with weapons and support for their genocide in Yemen, and are supplying Egypt with weapons and support for their water war in Sudan, which has seen atrocity after atrocity in its wake. This isn’t even an extensive list of just this century.

    They aren’t trying to stop it. All the public lip-service is but theater as are the negotiations. Which should become clear at the latest, when Israel assassinates their negotiating partners and then the US claims, that there is no one from the other side joining the table…

  • MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml
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    4 hours ago

    Fuck around: do genocide, ignore your base who are apalled by genocide

    Find out: lose election

    If you want to keep losing, keep doing this same shit. Most liberals seem like they would rather lose than agree with online leftists.

  • ProtecyaTec@lemmy.world
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    4 hours ago

    Sure is going to be difficult to enact change when met with a regime that wants to regress. Hope that y’all who didn’t vote are happy with the outcome cause I sure ain’t.

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    2 hours ago

    Well yes. Everyone knew trump was going to be worse for the Palestinians. Except for the people who wanted you to hate the democrats more and not vote and wanted you to ignore that.

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    8 hours ago

    ignores core voter issues

    spends entire campaign talking about how opponent is worse

    Tells entire uncommitted voter base to fuck off

    “Why did the voters do this to us? Those must be 10 million russian/maga/chinese shills in disguise.”

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    5 hours ago

    Why are Liberals are taking expedited genocide of Palestinas as consultation price?

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    10 hours ago

    Libs would rather cry for months about how they completely botched an election than do anything to stop a genocide.

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    11 hours ago

    I’m sure some of these strawman exist in a field somewhere keeping the crows away.

    Democrats need to get rid of First Past The Post voting in the blue states they control. Time to admit they need help and shouldn’t be going alone against the republicans

    More democracy. More chances to defeat the republicans. More people engaged and involved in the political process.
    More people voting = more votes for democrats. More chances of republicans electing a more moderate candidate.

    Electoral reform is an absolute win for the people of this country. Except for the legacy poltical parties. They will unfortunately have to compete for your vote. If they are unable to stay relevant, that’s on them for becoming weak and frail using FPTP as a crutch.

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    13 hours ago

    Why would people vote for Republican Lite, if there’s the real deal? At least now we know chasing these Republican votes was foolish and that we should campaign on universal leftist points. Right? Right???

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    16 hours ago

    I mean in all fairness we did tell them that exactly this would happen. It’s their open damn fault they, and the rest of us, now have to try and survive in the still-rotting corpse of democracy.

    Edit, add: Their self centered, short-sighted voting choice has screwed over everybody else along with them. I’m not going to feel particularly bad about the hardships they’ve invited on themselves, whether through stupidity, logical fallacy, ignorance, emotional thinking, or (in the case of actual T supporters) actually believing blatantly stupid bullshit.

    • Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world
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      13 hours ago

      Hell, the only thing Harris voters have left is the bitter pleasure of watching the Trump voters and non-voters suffer with us. I will not extend an ounce of anything but schadenfreude their way for any bit of pain they feel as a consequence of their own actions.

    • مهما طال الليل@lemm.ee
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      10 hours ago

      I’m not going to feel particularly bad about the hardships they’ve invited on themselves

      It is not like you cared about the genocide when Biden was president. At least now the decorum is gone.