Trump details plan to ban gender-affirming care for minors and adults - eviltoast
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    I think that, if this question is in good faith, this might be the right time for you to tell us what you think the process is for transitioning. What the steps are, how long you’re legally required to wait between steps, what paperwork and doctor’s visits are required for which step, which step is a “point of no return”, that kind of thing.

    We don’t know what level your knowledge is at and it’s hard to educate someone who is not brave enough to put themselves out there to be corrected.

    On the other hand if you don’t want to learn today and you just want to feel empowered in your hate, I think Twitter is great for that kind of thing

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      if this question is in good faith

      When it comes to arguing against access to gender-affirming healthcare for trans individuals, it’s never in good faith.

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      if this question is in good faith, this might be the right time for you to tell us what you think the process is for transitioning

      I think if you want to change your gender via surgery you should be at least 18 years old. That barrier is put there for many reasons for all sorts of activities, and responsibilities. Having potentially hazardous surgery is perfectly within that framework

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        I’m sorry, but I asked if you knew what the steps are, how long you’re legally required to wait between steps, what paperwork and doctor’s visits are required for which step, which step is a “point of no return”, that kind of thing. Do you have any knowledge about those topics whatsoever, or are you forming opinions without knowing anything about the topic at hand?

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          Do you have any knowledge about those topics whatsoever,

          Do I need to know? What this type of knowledge brings to the debate?

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            Yes, you need to be knowledgeable about or have experience with things you have opinions on. To do anything otherwise would be “spreading lies because of an agenda.”

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            Well, it brings the knowledge that if minors do get a double mastectomy (top surgery), they have to be on testosterone for a while (minimum of a year, which is a LONG time to figure out that maybe you don’t like these changes). They also have to get consent from parents and 2 separate therapists plus an endocrinologist need to sign off on the surgery.

            I feel like if you knew this, it’d probably be a lot less scary to you. They have to jump through a lot of hoops and every hoop gives a lot of time for them to figure out if this is the right choice.

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            What this type of knowledge brings to the debate?

            An actual understanding of what you’re arguing against? You feel that it’s too easy for minors to get gender-affirming surgery, yet you actually know nothing of the process.

            If you’re not willing to learn about what you’re arguing against, you’re acting in bad faith.

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        Yup, this exactly. The smartest thing to do with a population that is historically the most mentally stable among us we should tell children they just need to hold out two more years to deal with the things making their lives hell. They’ll be fine, or not, who cares really? They should just realize gender is fake and they’re a man, but failing that wait until I don’t have a good legal argument yet before taking steps to make your life better.

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                I’m asking if you’re okay mutilating 999 children for the 1 child who has the potential to possibly change their mind. Are trans people worth so much less than cis people in your mind this seems like a reasonable exchange?

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                    I’m not ok with mutilating children in general.

                    Oh, so you must support puberty blockers then, so children suffering gender dysphoria don’t need to have permanent physical changes that cause them significant distress and permanently change their body in consistently unwanted ways?

                    To your question, who takes responsibility for any medical mistake? The hospital, and the parents involved.

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                    I know better than to respond to someone like you, but I’m doing it anyway bc I’m a masochist or something idk.

                    If you’re not ok mutilating children, then how about you ban non-elective circumcision first. You know the thing that’s being performed on newborn baby boys at an almost infinitely higher rate (in the US at least) than any sort of gender reassignment on children.