It’s a bit contrary to the spirit of self-hosting to promote giant centralised walled gardens, like Cloudflare. Please remove selfhosted@lemmy.world from the sidebar (otherwise, why not add whatever self-hosted Facebook communities there are?). Also consider removing selfhost@lemmy.ml because it’s centralised by size (the node size is 2 standard deviations above the mean).
I propose in place of those two centralised communities, these free-world decentralised communities instead, which are more conducive to avoiding centralised power:
!selfhosted@krabb.org
!homelab@lemmy.lidstah.info
!selfhosted@lemmy.nexus
!SelfHosted@europe.pub
!esc@europe.pub
I think it’s against the spirit of self hosting to use a community you don’t personally host.
I’m conflicted. !selfhosted@lemmy.world has a lot more content currently, and is federated here. It also seems a bit weird to limit communities by size; “sorry everyone, this community has 100 users now, please make a new one”. I do like smaller communities better for discussions/etc, but bigger communities are still useful.
Something like a self-hosted facebook group is not the same thing as a lemmy community on another federated instance, IMO.
I’ll think about how to reword the sidebar and maybe add something about preferring smaller local communities where possible. Thank you for links to the other communities, I’ll take a look and consider linking to them as well!
Self-hosting is often motivated to escape centralised oppressive control. Not always, but at least for me it is the primary or secondary motivator for self-hosting in most situations. Self-hosting is the extreme opposite of centralised control, in effect. So when the side-bar of the group suggests that people go to a bigger (in fact, the biggest in the threadiverse) more centralised community, credibility and philosophical alignment are questionable. It indicates a conflict of interest.
The other motivator (for me, anyway) is privacy, which is hand-in-hand with avoiding centralised services. Cloudflare (L/W) is also antithetical to privacy.
If you are a member of eviltoast, we have a place for these discussions. This is not that place.
If you are a member of eviltoast, we have a place for these discussions. This is not that place.
I am not a member, so I do not have access to whatever undisclosed insider venue you have in mind.
Bullshit nonetheless though. If you don’t want to see dialog from non-locals, it’s on you to find a defederated forum.
This is not that place.
Nonsense. I don’t see your proposal for what is the place for sidebar issues.
See, that’s the problem. You didn’t look. You don’t care. You want to tell folks what to do.
Look at the vote count. That should tell you what folks think about your methods.See, that’s the problem. You didn’t look.
What gives you that idea?
You don’t care.
What gives you that idea?
You want to tell folks what to do.
What gives you that idea?
Look at the vote count.
And?
That should tell you what folks think about your methods.
It does not. The very problem at hand is the fedi being flooded by centralised fiefdoms hosting copious boot lickers. Of course they vote accordingly. Speaking negatively about LemmyWorld nearly guarantees downvotes when seen by loyal LW pawns, who per their choice of loyalty lack awareness of the consequences of their choice.
The fact that centralised communities pollute local polls is yet another problem when decentralised communities intermingle w/giant centralised ones. Which is exacerbated when people like yourself put stock into those votes.
Its not a secret or anything. The main eviltoast forum is where we usually discuss community impacting stuff. We also have a support forum for the clueless. You’ll find a couple posts from me there.
It’s strange to find somebody here in our little local comm acting like this. You are on a crusade of some sort. Good luck with that, pilgrim.
Its not a secret or anything. The main eviltoast forum is where we usually discuss community impacting stuff.
That is not the right place to discuss a side-bar of some moderator, unless the side-bar breaks sitewide rules. Otherwise it’s asking for micromanagement. It’s also sneaky to conceal the conversation from the people of the community where they won’t see it. Being subscribed to selfhosting does not subscribe you to eviltoast@eviltoast.org or eviltoast_support@eviltoast.org.
It’s also obnoxious and disrespectful to go above someone’s head as you advocate, without first giving them a chance to act.
It’s strange to find somebody here in our little local comm acting like this. You are on a crusade of some sort. Good luck with that, pilgrim.
It’s anti-democratic to not bring anti-thetical guidelines to the attention of the affected community.
