@letmesleep - eviltoast
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  • Du nennst die Pilotenstreiks und die aus deiner Sicht existierenden Probleme und dann wendest du deinen Lösungsansatz für die Piloten (wobei ich nicht sehe, dass die systemrelevant sind) auf die Lokführer der GdL an. Irgendwas stimmt in der Argumentationskette nicht.

    Du stellst da einen Zusammenhang her, der nicht besteht. Ich habe die Gehälter der Piloten nur genannt, um zu beweisen, dass man Streiks nicht einfach durch mehr Bezahlung verhindern kann. Es ist ein klassischer Widerspruchsbeweis.

    Natürlich sind Piloten einer einzelnen Fluggesellschaft nicht systemrelevant. Aber bei Lokführern eines quasi-Monopolisten ist das anders. Also braucht man dort tatsächlich Lösungen um Streiks ganz zu verhindern und “einfach mehr bezahlen” ist schlichtweg keine. Edit: Wie ich bereits sagte, eine Lösung wie von der FDP vorgeschlagen wäre natürlich einseitig und daher ungerecht, aber deshalb ist das Gegenteil (immer alle Forderungen erfüllen) noch lange nicht realistisch.


  • Manchmal ist der Staat besser ist bustäblich eines der Zehn Gebote der Volkswirtschaft.

    Hier sollte man das Problem aber eher beim Eingfreifen des Staats sehen. Zum einen natürlich durch den gesetzlichen Schutz von Streiks aber wesentlich relevanter ist, dass die Bahn politisch vor dem Pleitgehen geschützt ist. In keinem normalen Unternehmen mit Milliardenverlusten würden Beschäftigte solche Forderungen stellen. Dieses Problem könnte man also mit dem freien Markt regeln. Oder indem man die Bahn wieder “richtig” verstaatlicht. Das Problem ist der derzeitige Mittelweg. Man hat hat es hier schlichtweg geschafft das Schlechteste aus beiden Systemen in einem Unternehmen zu vereinen.


  • Next time the topic comes up, do you think it would be better if I said that religious beliefs are a huge set of opinions that form a person’s core beliefs and that these opinions and as a result the beliefs should be subject to scrutiny and criticism, just like non-religious opinions and beliefs? Is that phrased better or still “wrong” but put into different words?

    Absolutely. That makes much easier to find fair comparisions. After all not all religous beliefs are held deeply and many non religious people have beliefs that are incredibly important to them. E.g. the no alcohol ruls in Islam isn’t especially well adhered to among Muslism in Western countries wheras your average atheist vegan will go ballistic if you try to make them eat pork.


  • So funktioniert das nicht. Piloten der Lufthansa verdienen fast so viel im Monat wie Lokführer im Jahr und streiken trotzdem sehr oft.

    Solange man Arbeitnehmer nicht für das Streiken entlassen darf, werden Streiks auch bei einem Überangebot an Arbeitskräften stattfinden, wenn auch vielleicht weniger. Gruppen an Schlüsselpositionen werden ihre Macht immer nutzen. Egal, ob ihre Forderungen berechtigt sind.

    Insofern sollte man schon darüber nachdenken, ob es wirklich eine gute Idee ist Betreiber kritischer Infrastruktur streiken zu lassen. Vor allem alleine als eine gesonderte Berufsgruppe. Nur darf eine Lösung dafür natürlich nicht so einseitig sein, wie von der FDP vorgeschlagen. Wir haben da in Deutschland mit dem Beamtentum eigentlich schon einen guten Ansatz. Beamte dürften nicht streiken, haben dafür aber eben auch besondere Privilegien.



  • Nope. Opinion is simply the wrong word. The best English term for what a religion is, is probably belief system. Belief and opinion aren’t entirely synonymous - opinions have a much stronger notion of personal judgement (i.e. how tings should be) - but more importantly a religion isn’t just a belief, it’s a huge set including many beliefs that do - more or less - fit together. Hence it’s a system.

    In German we also also use the word “Weltanschauung” (literally translates to worldview but fits a religion better than the English word).

    So you can’t just compare the entire religion to an opinon about, let’s say whether or not school lunches should include bacon. But you can compare individual opinions and beliefs held by religious people to those of people without imaginary friends. A Christian’s opinion on abortion may be influenced by their religion but there’s a lot of denominations that are pro choice. Hence a Christian being against abortion is indeed just voicing a opinion.

    On the other side, there definitely are non-religious belief systems. Humanism for example.


  • they need hundreds of thousand of soldiers to enable a credible defence

    And arm them with what? Modern wars are extremely expensive and Finland may have conscription but the country’s military spending as a portion of GDP is lower than that of many countries with professional armies. Conscription makes sense in Israel. But they get about as much in American arms donations as Finland spend on its entire military.

    The whole setup looks Finland looks like the strategy is to copy Stalin’s tactic in the winter war: sacrificing soliders en masse.

    Sure, without Nato and the EU there could be the scenario we now see in Ukraine: Hundreds of billions of dollars in foreign aid paying for weapons. But since Finland is in Nato it would get actual armies coming to its aid.

    And I’m not even talking about the indirect costs of conscription. Diminishing your workforce by a percent also dimishes your GDP by (roughly) a percent. With that money you could create and maintain a serious nuclear arsenal, including second strike capabilities.


  • This isn’t about “depriving people of their freedom”

    No, but depriving people of their freedom is what conscription does. It can be necessary, just as depriving people of their money via taxation is necessary, but you should be honest about what you’re doing.

    Nobody can expect others to defend them if they won’t do the same. An integral part of the social contract in countries with conscription is that everyone accepts that duty to answer when called upon, and to defend their countrymen when necessary.

    Yeah, but you’re using the opposite of the solidarity principle here. As I said, it’s reasonable to use conscription if you actually need a lot of people. I very much see the point in what South Korea or Israel are doing with conscription (albeit that they’re a bit sexist with it). But if 98% of the birth year cohort (and 99.98% of the entire population) get to enjoy their freedom while a tiny minority is forced to join the army, then that’s a serious injustice. Imagine doing taxation that way. Next time the state needs more income: Don’t raise income tax by 1% for everyone, just you could pick 1% of the population and raise it by 100% for them.

    As long as the army doesn’t need (almost) everyone to have served, incentives paid for by everyone should be used to get enough volunteers.


  • No, it is forced labor and indeed a serious infraction on human rights, but it’s by no means slavery. Slaves can be sold and subjected to a bunch of other abuses.

    Unlike slavery forced labor can be acceptable in certain conditions. I don’t think conscription in Western countries falls under that. It’s far too expensive (delaying people’s entry to the workforce by a year should cost more than 2% of GDP and you can buy a lot of advanced weaponry with that much money) and in most places getting enough people into the military should be doable by offering more benefits. But in countries like Ukraine or in the West when we’re talking about things like natuaral disasters it may be necessary to force people to work for the community.


  • As the service length will go up dramatically they expect the volunteering rate to fall somewhat, which means they expect somewhere between 500-1000 will be forced to join, whether they want to or not.

    That’s fucked up. It’s one thing to talk about actual conscription if you actually need to enlist a lot of relunctant people, but if you can get 4000 voluntarily getting to 5000 should be easy by increasing the benefits (higher pay might work , or scholarships or …).

    You’re depriving a thousand people of their freedom for a year to save maybe a hundred million kronor. That’s roughly the cost of a single modern tank.