they sent us a big box of CDs to the CS department an uni. ran it as a daily driver for a semester.

I’m saying that your timeline is wrong as you’re thinking temporally which is incorrect. Before Jephthah existed God knew he would make this bargan. God decided to render services and take payment. None of these things needed to happen but they did. So God takes human sacrifice as payment. Full Stop.

As for the rest of your comment, I find it funny that you were hung up on context when you’re showing you have no grasp of the historical context of this story. You ask why wouldn’t she run away. If you read the laws about slavery you’d understand that without being tied directly to her father or given to a husband she would be ripe for the picking into slavery. She has no rights as a single woman. Be she one of God’s chosen or one of the heathen around them, she would become someone’s property for life with no chance of being set free.

Further more your lack of historical context shows why you’re falling for such an obvious male author statement with her going off into the woods. She states she wants to morn the loss of her ability to get married. Marriage at that time was a financial contract between the father and the husband. Her value to the family is what they can sell her for. She was not mourning some true love she will never find. The claim is that she is sad she won’t be sold off to some man for a handful of goats.

And the heaven part, again missing context of what was believed at that time. Judges was prior to the Second Temple period so the afterlife concept was drastically different than the christian style heaven. Sheol was a place where good and evil alike went. This was no paradise, just a place where the souls go to rest.

So no, your idea that she’d just be cool with being exsanguinated and then go on for eternity in bliss is just flat out contextually wrong.

as a waiter in a past life this doesn’t really help a lot. i didn’t double check your order, you are potentially in the way. if you drop shit you are fucking up so much i’d be kicking your ass out that door and you are on the list.

You apparently don’t understand the Problem of Evil. I’m not asking why would he kill his daughter. I’m saying why did God accept human sacrifice as payment for beefing up his army? God knew payment would be given and then performed the task. God could have not beefed up the army. He could have not rendered services, and yet he did. He accepted human sacrifice as payment plain and simple.

An eternity of bliss? I think you mean spending all eternity remembering how she was brutally murdered. Will see see her dad there? Because that is some PTSD triggering shit waiting to happen. And being around God all the time knowing that your last moments on earth could have been totally different but God needed a good story for his book so she gets her throat cut all for her dad to gain more riches. That’s horrible.

No I’m not blaming God in those instances. I’m saying that God steps in and causes punishment TO THE OFFENDERS. And yet in the case of Jephthah no only is he not punished, God grants his wish and then doesn’t reject payment.

It’s not really a Problem of Evil situation. Its about God taking payment for services rendered when the payment is evil. The fact God was with him before doesn’t matter because God already knew what the payment would be. It would be the equivalent of me telling someone I’m going to pay you to off someone and you overhearing. You decide to take the job before I actually ask you in person. When I ask you to do you you never say no, you perform the act and then I pay you. How is that not services performed for payment? You had the opportunity to not take the job. You had the opportunity to tell me you’d do it for free. Instead you did the job knowing fully well I’d pay you.

As for the heaven, you’re skipping the important part. Jephthah told his daughter he was going to kill her. Not in the moment but months before it would happen. She woke up every day knowing soon she was going to be killed by her father. Every time they saw each other they thought about that future moment. She couldn’t make plans because soon her father was going to kill her. She was a dead woman walking.

Then when the day came it wasn’t some quick, painless put you to sleep kind of act. Burnt offerings were a specific ritual. You bleed out the offering. She probably laid there choking on her own blood with her father looking down at her. All for the sake of allowing her father to win a war. He could have sacrificed himself, could have disobeyed God. But instead she was laying there dying for her father to win.

My point of the other scenarios, they are all examples where God stepped in and changed the natural order of things. None of those people were dying. God turn a woman to salt, took control of bears to eat children, smite a guy. God has the ability to step in and change reality and yet here he didn’t knowing full well before any of it happening what would transpire. To equate this to the image, God nudged the bullet knowing full well the firefighter was going to be killed. He could have nudged it in any other direction, could have given the shooter a heart attach, could have let it hit the Cheeto. But instead he performed the necessary action to make someone else be killed.

It is odd that God never stops these horrible acts. Especialy the ones where the one being harmed isn’t the one fucking up. The daughter is killed when she did nothing wrong.

The whole book of Judges is essentially “Here’s what not to do”.

Pretty messed up that the only way to teach this lesson is to kill an innocent girl and set her on fire. You would think an all powerful being was more capable than that.

Not once did God command him to offer up his daughter. He decided to try and work for God’s support, and to try and earn it. But it bit him back harshly.

Here is where the BS comes in. Throughout the book God stops people from doing things. He kills people who sin, makes them fall out of favor with their tribe, stops their actions. None of that happens here. God helps win the battle knowing an innocent girl will be murdered that serves no purpose and God is complacent.

Pull out early instead of impregnating your sister in law, God kills you. Make fun of a bald guy, God kills you. Turn around to look at your home being destroyed, God kills you. I guess having a warmongering father is worth your life too. There just wasn’t anything God could do.

You are skipping the part where God knows all before it happens and nothing can go against God’s plan. God beefed up that army knowing full well the eventual outcome, the human sacrifice in his honor. he did nothing about it.

first thing that came out of his house. (not his daughter

God knew what was coming through that door

Ican’t fathom how someone, even given a perfect model of every cell in my body, could predict whether or not I will scratch my nose within the next minute.

so your argument is just personal incredulity?

The issue is not about choice. It is about control. Your next action is purely dependant on the current state of your brain and the stimuli around you. Where is the part that isn’t controlled by this system? How did you cause your brain to be exactly how it is right this moment? Was it not a cause of your previous brain state and the stimuli in the previous moment? How can you shown it’s not turtles all the way down?

The chaos comment is not really relevant. Chaos isn’t choice, I only brought it up to show that at the level of our brains and the interactions we have there isn’t anything random. A world rewound would produce the same outcome.

30 Jephthah made a vow to the Lord and said, “If You will indeed give the sons of Ammon into my hand,

31 then it shall be that whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me when I return in peace from the sons of Ammon, it shall be the Lord’s, and I will offer it up as a burnt offering.”

– Judges 11

Then the dude kills his daughter and now modern Christians come up with silly excuses as to why they don’t worship evil.

Oh I was refering to Jephthah asking God to make his army win a war and in return he would kill his daughter and then set her on fire. God said hell yeah!

i have yet to see any evidence thatethere is anything that overcomes the deterministic nature of the universe. the rare bit of chaos we get from quantum mechanics is washed away by the law of large numbers.

I would expect nothing less from a god who sells power ups for the low cost of human sacrificing your daughter.

i remember being in an interview for a new marketing leador my dev team. the dude had 13 jobs over 10 years. to me that was the bigge;t of red flags. dude got hired in spite of my protest.

i cannot think ok a worse employee i have ever worked with an i once had a boss embezzle $100k before skipping town.

and yet somehow, while not being a person, he will retain all his wealth and not owe her a thing because it was never a valid marriage.

you kind of missed the point. your comments are based on an antiquated view of our life cycle. the problem is that there is such a disparity of income, and a work cuture of constant drive that many of us are so far upside down for kids moving out to change anything. between the constant inflation, income never catching up and having gone through two and soon potentially three resessions completely destroying our retirement investments, this is a generation that will work until they die. so the need for socialization now rather than later is important.

the problem isn’t that this is a huge mountain to climb. it’s that we are constantly running up hill and the fatigue eventually gets you. this is why people give up on being social. the benefits never outweigh the added stress. all you’ve done is dig your hole a little deeper.

i think this is why social media has such an appeal. it has a feeling of social interaction at the cost of selling you personal info which most people don’t care about. you use it at any free moment with no commitment. i will see someone on facebook while sitting in traffic, they found a way to cram some sort of social interaction in where they could. unfortunately this isn’t a substitute for irl social interactions.

you just need to keep a shit list of brands that are now dead to you.

Aside from the pandemic showing that half the planet are selfish assholes, I actualy miss being social. Thinking back on my childhood in the 80’s and 90’s my family could afford to be social. Going out to dinner with other couples, going to events, purchasing the nesessary items to be social like golf clubs, boats, grills, etc. There wasn’t this constant anxiety of living paycheck to paycheck as today. I make more than my parents combined and yet after cost of surviving i am sitting on $5 for two weeks as my expendable cash. At that point I have no desire to go out with people as even the gas to get to them would need to be budgeted.

With money being tight I have found that i was always bowing down to work for fear of being replaced. I worked longer hours than I should have because I’ve always been trying to catch up financialy. Now that I’m in my 40’s I’ve just accepted that I will never have that moment where I reach that plateau and I can take a breath. I will spend the rest of my life tredding water just keeping my head above it. And I wish it was the avocado toast argument boomers give but there is no personal expenses in my life. mortgage (ik I’m lucky), food, utilities, school loans, clothes for the kids and that it. My entertainment comes from the library or is pirated.

After having this daily stressor constantly pinging in my head I just don’t have the mental capacity to deal with people. My partner is more stess than benefit. There really isn’t any human interaction I have that is fulfilling anymore. I’m honesty just running on autopilot at this point.

you know by their definition of obscene the a huge portion of the bible will be thrown out.

i think that is a very important observation. people want to gloss over that when it might be the most important thing to talk about.