Appreciate the honesty and reply.

Finding your PS aggressive myself, especially since I tried to scrub my comment free of aggression. Definitely failed on that. This is a very charged and hot-button topic for me. Sorry.

Probably going to abandon this account and become @andioop@piefed.social or piefed.zip, because they have a nice filter on posts and I’ll use it so I can actually browse programming.dev without having to see the many, many LLM and AI and vibe-coding posts and comments (whether for or against) that clearly get me upset and unable to communicate in a way that people are okay with. (Well, maybe it can’t filter out the comments, I forget, but I know it does posts.)

Thanks for not getting into personal insults despite not liking my comment. It’s one thing I really don’t like that Fedi often does.

(my goal: trying to express my frustration too, I’d feel like a pushover if I did not and just swallowed it. But also trying to de-escalate the situation and learn from how I still came across aggressive to you, because I have always gotten along with people and making anyone feel bad is generally something I’d like to avoid.)

I honestly don’t understand why, on posts of people trying to avoid AI and LLMs, people often post something to the effect of “get on board or get left behind,” “it’s inevitable, we can’t resist.”

Most charitably, for your comment specifically, it’s just what your brain went to after wondering your first paragraph. This is, after all, an open discussion forum and on-topic musings are normal, even if they dissent from the view being presented in the OP. Or you’re trying to save us all time and effort spent on what you genuinely to believe a pointless resistance.

Least charitably? We already have the powers that be, billions of dollars, and bosses already telling us that narrative and it feels very bad to have it repeated, to just give in, in a space we’re trying to use to escape it at least for another day, by “one of us” (a programming.dev user) too. And because you have an opinion different than me, because every frustrated search I make on “why are people trying to push AI” or similar topics returns floods of articles not about my search but on instead how to get anti-LLM people to change their minds and use it, because people want to make decisions by their own power instead of feeling manipulated into it by others and me knowing so many people want to change my mind on this? I really don’t like your comment and genuinely wonder why you posted it—can’t help but be suspicious. But hey. At least I didn’t downvote because I really don’t like what you said!

Above paragraph probably looks like a very passive-aggressive way to accuse you of bothood or astroturfing. Don’t mean it that way, but I also know I’m a bit overly credulous and trusting.

oh wow this blog overall has more fun stuff like this, thanks for introducing me!

In practice, how is this any different from the many iterations of !Linux? Unless a sufficient number of general-purpose Linux community members want a news-only area.

It’s a wild day when I see something on programming.dev I already use, instead of it showing me something new. This is a nice search engine that surfaced cool things for me! https://marginalia-search.com/

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Just posted in both communities about what to do since both exist

I really liked https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/MDN/Tutorials

The highminded part of me says it’s bad that this is happening, especially given the freedom Linux still provides from the other, more locked-down options. And that you may still choose to be a maintainer or contributor without being all-in on AI, and it sucks to impact “innocents” that way. And at least what I assume is Torvalds being judicious and not purely vibe-coding is better than people who type “make me a kernel” and expect the world.

The petty part of me says “okay, your project won’t be part of the anti-AI ideology, glad to see your project suffer because of it then, even if just in this way.”

I’m lucky enough to sometimes take public transit that publicly posts its data on arrival times and the like. Have been working on a script to tell me when there’s a track change (which changes where I need to wait for the train) because I’m a lazy person who wants to just have a notification fly across my phone screen instead of actually checking on the website. Currently working on testing some functionality before dumping it on my Raspberry Pi. I usually work on this while on the transit, but hopefully I’ll do some of it this weekend.

Also would like to get working on the bog-standard baby coder personal project habit tracker, to make sure I remember how to do front end, back end, etc. I’ve learned I am more likely to use a system I built for myself. We will see if I get to it!

This sounds super cool. Crossposted to !automationgames@lemmy.zip to get it in front of more people

AI-hater here arriving late to the thread, who is specifically waiting out the market in a different job in a different industry I enjoy, because of the tech industry making you use AI to do the things I would have enjoyed doing myself. Appreciate the good advice, especially since your perspective is the total opposite of mine so I can probably trust it’s grounded, not just my confirmation bias wanting to see “AI bad” in as many places as possible.

I’ve realized it’s something I’ve been guilty of doing ever since a lot of the things I used to love started getting heavily enshittified

I do try to deal with seeing this kind of comment by also considering how annoying and disappointing it is seeing things you liked get worse. !deshittification@thebrainbin.org (not my community) for a bit more positivity, for “here’s stuff you can actually do to change things for the better, instead of just complaining on the internet”. I figure it is better to channel that rage productively in a way that helps me leave for better alternatives, instead of in a way that does not make life better in any way besides relieving the emotion. Maybe someone else’s if my angry comment is the tipping point for a reader to leave the enshittified product, but…

But yeah. I both feel the outrage, and feel like expressing it without pointing to alternatives is often only giving others more fuel to doomscroll with. (And yes, I also unfortunately sometimes post angrily without adding anything constructive! Just check my comment history…) I thank you for your thoughtful reply and totally get where you are coming from. My comment probably comes across way more castigating towards you than I want it to be—I really appreciate your reaction.

I graduated college and my student license for JetBrains expired. So I switched to VSCodium (free). I’m very glad to hear that I am not missing out because of the price-motivated switch I made. Of course, I don’t actually benefit in any way but psychologically from hearing the thing I gave up isn’t worth it anymore, sour grapes from an LLM-hater, but…

Also, nice reminder to unsub from the community, I don’t use JetBrains anymore and probably should not be occupying the community. Just went and did that, especially given how I would find people commenting “I hate X” in a fan community for X (probably drive-bys from All or Local) annoying. Don’t want to be part of the behavior I don’t like!

Hey! I’m a person who specifically wants to hear that LLMs are always flaming garbage. Thanks for the explanation. Intent and tone is hard online. Your original comment, which probably read as a joke and firmly tongue-in-cheek to you, read as a frustrated and resentful snarky one-liner zinger to me until I got this explanation that you didn’t mean it that way. Of course, I’m carrying my own biases (anti-LLM, frustration with harshness and generalizations and insults that I perceive to be happening more frequently on the Fediverse than back on Reddit or in real life).

I wonder if there are more jokesters than actual harsh people and I’m just misinterpreting it. (I have been stepping back from the Fediverse because of how many generalizations and frustrated, resentful, snarky comments I’ve seen; and how many LLM discourse posts I see on programming.dev that I, who have that as a trigger topic, end up rabbitholing down instead of doing something more useful. Me even clicking and commenting on this post is an example of the latter, I fear.)

Thanks again for clarifying your intent and going de-escalation mode, I think we need way more of that energy.

getting real disheartened by all the snark on lemmy from anyone of any opinion ☹️ why is it always like this ☹️

In the past all you had was human-made so this distinction wasn’t even a thing.

I’m just very bitter that people will probably be made to use AI. Coding, as it was done before the advent of LLMs, was fun to me. Being a prompt engineer isn’t. I hope and pray AI isn’t here to stay, but if it is, what I thought would be a career full of doing something I enjoy, is just going to be a boring slog. (I currently took a different job outside of tech over this—I graduated with a CS degree as LLM usage was exploding and getting forced on everyone.) Years wasted prepping for a career I’ll never do, but at least nobody can force me to use LLMs in hobby projects.

But even if I do not code for work, I dread every non-manual job turning into one where I am expected to use generative AI and criticized and quickly fired if I don’t. I liked so many aspects of almost any type of work, but I really do not like generative AI, trusting this black box based off of statistical patterns instead of a model of the real world, and if it enters every type of non-manual labor I’ll have a shit sandwich to eat at any job I do unless I, delicate little woman who was raised to think I’d be able to have a white collar office job and would never have to earn money with muscles and the literal sweat of my brow, decide to start doing hard manual labor.

And then even if I wiggle out of it somehow as a white collar worker or find I take well to manual labor, I cannot guarantee my doctor didn’t just ChatGPT my symptoms, the bridge I drive over wasn’t glued together with nondeterministic predictions from generative AI instead of actual simulations based on fact…

Extremely unhappy to start life with “you’re good at do many things, you’ll do great!” only to get the rug pulled right when I start applying with “none of this matters when AI can do it much faster” so quick with little adjustment time. And with “I know I’ll enjoy working, most seem interesting, and I have diverse skills in case something happens to one industry, how lucky am I” to dreading when it starts to become the daily AI-prompting slog and I have the “daily grind” “ugh when does it end” everyone else does, or when I’m just totally cut out entirely unless I am willing to work my body instead of my brain. And so I have a vested interest in AI not becoming normalized or endorsed or approved by people lots of others listen to like Linus Torvalds. Because it is happening, all I have is sadness and anxiety for when work starts being prompt engineering.

Absolutely would have moved the needle towards Linux for 12-year-old me. (Already on Linux now.)

nah, just post there a lot as a spite move against all the doom articles in a way that is productive instead of putting others down

Eh. I have half a foot in terminally-onlineland and half a foot in normie-land and I don’t use Facebook. One friend moving off Instagram got me to pull the trigger to do the same. It’s possible, and showing people you can and some steps can help make it less intimidating.

wonder if you have partnered up with the various !degoogle communities like !degoogle@discuss.tchncs.de

would be welcome to promote over at !deshittification@thebrainbin.org