Sure or let her know. That’s like cheese, yogurt, eggs, dark leafy greens (best source), or natto if she can handle it haha.

Okay, I was referencing the safety aspect. You can tell by the words I used.

Your narcissism is boring. Other people think other things and aren’t extensions of you. Your policing is boring. The gaslighting is boring.

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You are the first in this post (including OP) to mention food safety,

This is ad populum

Which you appear to have done randomly.

You’ve just acknowledged the connection and even expanded on it here in this most recent comment:

Sure. Also plenty of other things that have little to do with safety, as such, and more to do with them being generally nutritious, tasty, fresh vs processed, etc

So I guess we’re done here! I’ve thoroughly explained this to you, held your hand through my PoV as much as someone can get a narcissist to perspective take, and can’t do more. Adieu!

Yikes, dawg.

The brain is the body. They aren’t separate.

I brought up caloric excess in my other comment. I’m aware caloric excess causes weight gain simplisticly, but like I said, that is a simplistic take that ignores eveything else about the body and how people function as bodies. It’s a great attitude if you have an eating disorder or want to punish people for being fat though while ignoring their vitamin needs.

Food cravings are physiological in nature. Why people even WANT to eat when they already know about calories is what matters.

Foods are made of vitamins, minerals, proteins, carbs, fats (which many are vitamins), and probably stuff I’m not thinking of. Plus we eat stuff like microplastics, dust in the air, lint, whatever incidental things. And then we also have a microbiome that interacts with all this, and that respond adaptively to pathogens, eg hydrogen peroxide producing bacteria, plus the pathogens themselves. We come into contact with pathogens a LOT, and most of the time our immune system just deals with it, it’s not a big deal. Same with cancer actually.

There’s stuff going on under the hood, is my point, and we don’t know what our cellular buddies are dealing with and if they need more of a certain vitamin or not, they don’t burden us with minutiae. We just think, “fuuuuck, a goat cheese hummus salad would slap right now,” because biochemical pathways in our brain light up and we start feeling hunger.

Calories follow basic thermodynamics, yes, but your body is very complex. The goal isn’t thin and malnourished and sick, the goal is usually healthy and fit and feeling good.

And if you’re burning more energy than you take in, your stores are going to deplete

This is what I mean by simplistic. You wave your hand and say your body is simply “burning energy,” when it is actually an endlessly intricate bioelectrochemical dance between entire cities of unicellular life and tiny multicellular life (and some viruses) with whole lives of their own. It’s crazy what happens inside us and how we adapt.

There is actually a lot of literature (like since before the 50s) on fat soluble vitamins and I linked some elsewhere itt for general reading on how it relates to insulin and Ozempic in simple terms. That you don’t know that, that I know more than you, is obvious and you should probably stop externalizing. There’s also tons of modern dieticians and nutritionists (with doctorates) who practice this exact philosophy, and indeed it is what our entire recommended daily intake is based on.

Supplements are made from food, especially the ones I listed. Go look at the ingredient labels. And people know they can get vitamins from food and can look that up, as that is common knowledge.

They don’t HAVE to take a stranger’s advice lmfao.

Again there’s no safety issues with the supplements I was talking about. I’m aware of which supplements are more dangerous.

We didn’t evolve to breathe car exhaust every day and we do, so maybe there are external oressure we have these days we didn’thave before. 0I think our bodies are very adaptable given the wide range of biomes (incl sun exposure/vitamin d availability) we occupy, and we might need some extra vitamins every now and then. Supplement or whole food, either way.

People overdose on selenium with brazil nuts pretty often, because it takes so few to overdose and they don’t realize. Arctic explorers ate a ton of polar bear liver with 1,000,000 times recommended retinol in one bite, one died and the other’s feet sloughed off and almost died. You yourself simply don’t eat food sources that will kill you, because everything you eat is from a super market lol and safe. Some whole foods can kill with vitamin dosages and can vary widely in their dose. With supplements, you know the exact amounts and are somewhat less likely to “overdose” based on that alone. Plus, you can take vitamins individually/independently for a while and see how your body responds to know if that specific vitamin is helpful or not, then choose a whole food source once you understand what vitamins you need.

Drs say that because they don’t want you to take retinol in excess or be careless with your doses. It’s okay to take a normal daily dose. Some doctors have eating disorders and fat phobia too by the way, and those doctors tend to be pretty ignorant about fat soluble vitamins and nutrition itself. And again, vitamin k has no upper threshold at all. We inject it into newborns at pretty high doses and have since the 60s. You aren’t going to get “toxic levels” of vitamin e or coq10 in your body either lol unless you deliberately megadose.

Ps liver and heart are good whole food sources of these vitamins

Pss laughable you criticize recommending vitamins when people here want to casually take Ozempic because their favorite anorexic celeb did it and looks great (on tv with filters and editing). And just shows your anger is misplaced

That’s such a simplistic look at weight gain lol. Wanting food is caused by neurochemicals in your body first before you even eat a bite. Eg Prader-Willis patients gain weight because they have excess ghrellin which makes them super hungry. (It’s obvious they do not have Prader-Willis).

Vitamins are over the counter. We are supposed to eat them every day. Doctors literally ask you if you eat a balanced diet as their first screening question because they are supposed to fix vitamin deficiencies first before treating anything else (lol as if they do that). I think adults, who walk by these same vitamins every day at the store and see ads for them, can read a vague internet comment that they know is a stranger, and know if they should talk to their doctor about their health conditions etc or not. I think they can decide for themselves if they want to try a vitamin regimen, that again, is over the counter and has recommended daily intakes by nutritionists so your body can function.

Further, there is no overdose range for vitamin k, as in, we haven’t found an upper limit where it’ll kill you, although if deficient in vitamin e, then blood clots can happen. COQ10 is likewise very safe. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19096117/

Vitamin E is pretty safe unless you macrodose it every day for a while, and even then, as long as you’ve got vitamin k (and in some weightlifters do vitamin C) on board it shouldn’t be an issue. And again, I never said to macrodose or gave any dose, so why the shaming and policing?

Last, most overweight people are eating a lot of animal products that contain retinol type vitamin a instead of beta carotene type vitamin a found in plants. Because of the way retinol works, you HAVE to absorb it. To deal with the extra retinol, you need vitamin e and vitamin k, so you start craving fats. Then often people want meat and cheese or a pasta with meat, lasagna, pizza, etc, (which btw I eat too and I eat meat) and yeah they get some vitamin k in that, but not enough vitamin e to deal with the retinol. Which then causes stuff like eczema, allergies, pink irritated skin, dry skin, headache, high blood pressure, nausea, diarrhea - the stuff on the accutane side effects list.

So the craving continues and feeds itself. I used to be hungry AFTER I ATE and wished I could eat more, and that’s not uncommon in people who eat caloric excess - because they actually DO need to eat something else.

If you take vitamin e, it treats vitamin a overdose symptoms relating to the skin sloughing off and heightened immune system issues. But also vitamin e should be given with vitamin k since vitamin k is relatively benign anyway and helps produce osteocalcin which helps people exercise and want to move/feel good moving.

The meme references quality, which is directly impacted by whether the food is rotten, full of lead, moldy, fermented, dry/squishy, worms/bugs, etc, and that is enforced by testing for quality control and issuing various consequences.

Ad populum is a fallacy btw. It’s okay to have original thoughts 🌈

The FDA, USDA, etc should actually pay for Medicare for all to GUARANTEE their work in making sure products are safe imo. That includes these shit ass groceries without safety checks.

You can’t read, that’s so sad

Right, again, I’m not saying HE is fat phobic or even fat - but that the makers of the drugs and the prescribers ARE, and they are not choosing to monitor fat soluble vitamin status as standard for the treatment, which imo is extremely warranted. Also missed the detail that he was your EX, sorry, I thought he was your current partner

Adipogenesis is actually pretty regulated by the body but can be encouraged by some things. Not hunger though - that causes adipolysis, aka less adipocytes.

Because hunger has to do with vitamin balancing and a lot of people don’t get enough of certain vitamins which keeps them always behind.

Eg vitamin A makes your skin slough off in excess and can kill you in very high doses. To treat high vitamin a in the ER, doctors use vitamin e. Vitamin E can make you bleed in excess if you have a deficiency of vitamin K, so vitamin e excess is treated with vitamin k. Vitamin e deficiency can also cause blood clots. Vitamin D interacts with all of the above as well and they actually all interact with each other and make uo a large part of the immune system with downstream effects on other vitamins including b vitamins.

For a lot of people, once they understand how to balance their vitamins, they dont feel hungry anymore. But people alwyas want a magic pill that splves everything instead

Because weight gain is from not having enough vitamins or a correct balance of vitamins. Taking fat soluble vitamins (esp E&K1&coq10) made me lose weight and exercise more without trying.

You’re right except the last point - all drug shortages and issues are the result of doctors/public health and drug manufacturers. Never patients. It is a lie they tell us so we blame ourselves and each other.

Patients can’t write their own prescriptions. Patients can’t magically procure a drug in their hands. They aren’t stealing them from diabetics, they are being advertised to and buying the product.

Try to get her to eat vitamin k1 and/or k2 if you can. It will help her feel like exercising and moving more

We actually don’t know how it works. A new plausible theory came out but it is just speculation so far and doesn’t account for everything.

https://www.livescience.com/health/we-may-finally-know-how-tylenol-works-and-its-not-how-we-thought

“Even though we have been using paracetamol for the management of pain for more than 130 years, we still don’t fully understand how the drug works,” Wheate told Live Science. One widely held theory was that acetaminophen stopped the body from making. prostaglandins, which can trigger pain and inflammation, he said.“If the results of this study are confirmed, then it significantly changes our understanding of the drug.”

Keep in mind this study was done in rats and this article is from 6/19 of this year.

Fat phobia has killed so many and messed up so much research imo. We need fats and fat soluble vitamins, but in the right proportions to each other. I understand Ozempic is ostensibly for diabetes (and obv idk anything about your husband or his weight or why he took it, not assuming he has fat phobia himself), but rapid weight loss like that means people are likely going without adequate vitamins for quite some time, causing the body to eat its own tissues like bones, bone marrow, muscle, liver, and so on, to carry on the most important tasks for life.

Gastroparesis is often associated with vitamin d, b12, iron, and magnesium deficiencies. Fat soluble vitamins have a ton of downstream effects on other vitamins and each other, and many actually help with diabetes.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7469006/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34440929/

https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12937-023-00840-1

https://diabetes.org/food-nutrition/diabetes-vitamins-supplements/low-vitamin-d-insulin-resistance

They are not putting the Ozempic patients on vitamin therapy or even monitoring fat soluble vitamins afaik. BTW, the pancreas helps with processing fat soluble vitamins by making lipase, not just glucose/insulin. So anything that affects the pancreas, which Ozempic does, has the potential to affect fat soluble vitamins as well which have a LOT of downstream effects that have been catalogued for decades but doctors just kinda ignore??? Due to fat phobia.

I don’t blame you for suing, they are selling you malnutrition in a pill because they hate fat cells

Can you read two paragraphs to understand how the “quality of food” part of the meme connects to this?

Our country itself is also just large

I want to emphasize that insurance does not function to GRANT healthcare but to DENY it. Doctors grant healthcare as providers. When they prescribe it, they’ve granted it. Then insurance steps in and says, “wait a minute.” Their only function is to deny medical care. Not pay for it - the patient does that through premiums etc. To deny it. Why do we need a healthcare DENIAL system?

The answer for why corporations need private insurance denials, is because of Hot Coffee, Erin Brokovich - we could class action sue over the bad and contaminated products companies sell us, bc it would be able to be detected. Flint, MI, was caught by testing a kid on Medicare - because they have access to healthcare. The FDA, USDA, etc should actually pay for Medicare for all to GUARANTEE their work in making sure products are safe imo. That includes these shit ass groceries without safety checks. Why should I have to pay for the government’s failure to do their job? They should guarentee it and track it so they can do their jobs.

Fly back to your flock, chicken

You dropped a feather

I’m playing chess with a pigeon. Strut around buddy, eat some corn.