More than half of Canadians $200 away or less from missing bill payments: MNP - eviltoast

Just over half of Canadians say they are $200 away or less from not being able to pay all of their bills at the end of the month amid higher interest rates and inflation.

  • Cl1nk@sh.itjust.works
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    1 year ago

    Is really this bad? Half of Canadians? This is a catastrophe waiting to happen, wasn’t Canada supposed to be a rich country with a good standard of living, even in lower income areas?

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      wasn’t Canada supposed to be a rich country with a good standard of living, even in lower income areas?

      It used to be, but nothing in life is static. To become a rich country you need innovation, and to remain a rich country you need to continue to innovate. Canada was once very innovative, changing the world in many ways, but in the last decade or two we’ve rested on our laurels.

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      Have you seen inflation and the profiteering going on in supermarkets nowadays? My grocery bills have gone up 30% despite switching to the cheapest supermarkets and cutting out all non essentials. It’s insane!

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        We live in a more geographically isolated part of Canada (ie: not a big city) and at this point, our monthly grocery bill is approaching our mortgage payment amount. I still have to drive to three different stores to buy basics, because they’re all frequently out of stock for common items (like milk, sometimes). It’s not uncommon to pick up 3-4 bags of groceries (no meat) and pay $150-$200.

        We garden, and have birds, and even started raising dairy sheep to reduce costs, but it’s still too much.

        Yet, there are seven cannabis stores in town, and they’re all well stocked, somehow.

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      Canadians by and large have been spending more than they earn for decades now. Check out the average debt-to-income ratio from even 20 years ago, I remember economists being worried and that making the news even back then. Real estate is what props up our GDP to provide the illusion that we’re a rich country, and no politician except maybe Singh will ever actually work to change that so home ownership becomes less burdensome and more accessible to everyday people, because it will have an impact on the GDP.

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        Homeownership is Canada is ridiculous, I was checking this thread on reddit about a guy with 100k in savings and a salary of 95k and he was still unable to afford a 500k condo.

        Canada propping the economy through real-estate while people can’t afford it just seems like a time bomb, what will remain when it explodes?

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        Nah, even people living within their means arent doing well. My partner and I have very good, stable jobs, with a combined household income of nearly~$100,000 after taxes and deductions (union dues, pension deductions, etc).

        We drive a 12 year old car, we don’t take vacations, we don’t have kids, we don’t carry debt, and we don’t spend beyond our means.

        Granted, we had the unmitigated audacity to rent a house instead of an apartment because I like to play music with my friends, so thats an extra $200 a month over the cheapest apartment we could find that we’re “wasting” on our comfort.

        But factor in the rising cost of *gestures broadly* everyfuckingthing, we have been able to save less than 10% of just the down payment required to begin sniffing at houses in the last 3 years.

        The system currently is broken and needs a major overhaul, so we can level the playing field and the middle class has a chance of existing again.

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          The only reason I could afford the 5% down payment for the place I just bought was because I lucked into buying a cheap foreclosure years ago and sharing the down payment and title with a roommate. When we sold last year the amount we made back in equity was enough to put towards a cheap little old house of my own while still holding on to some for long term savings.

          Without that equity I would be stuck renting for the rest of my life.

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          so we can level the playing field and the middle class has a chance of existing again.

          Does the middle class want to exist again? Let’s face it, a big part of why housing has become so expensive is because people don’t want to spend their money on starting businesses. Canadian culture in particular is very much “get a job, buy a home, live happily ever after”. But if all you have is a job, you’re always going to remain working class.

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            Personally, I’ve been trying to start my own business for about two years now. But that takes money that I don’t really have. My estimate right now is at best, I’ll be launching in about a year and a half. The products I design aren’t even all that expensive in terms of supplies, but when I’m using all my funds to cover my personal bills, restocking supplies to create more inventory isn’t even an option.

            And that’s not even considering how businesses often actively work to suppress the earnings potential of low-wage and essential workers to ensure they stay where they are. For example, one employer I was at years ago (a certain national poutinerie chain) stole our tips the entire time I was there, registered individual corporate locations as separate businesses to avoid paying OT if you were scheduled across locations, and, most egregiously, would outright ask interviewees about their financial position- they wanted to hire people too desperate to quit. My current job regularly messes with people’s hours and bonuses so a stable level of income is a luxury, and the whole industry I’m in right now is like that so it’s not even like things will get better if I leave. If you’re self-funding your startup and you earn a low wage, you really don’t stand a chance. And BDC isn’t really all that helpful for anything other than advice, unless you already have the money you need to launch.

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              But that takes money that I don’t really have.

              Then, frankly, housing was never in the cards for you either. You are not the demographic being talked about.

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                … excuse me? Because my wages are surpressed, I deserve to live in poverty and don’t deserve access to opportunities like home ownership or entrepreneurship and to work for social stratification and to live a good life, am I reading you right here?

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                  am I reading you right here?

                  No. Not even close. Can you break down my comment to explain where you found applicability to anything you wrote? I am genuinely interested to see where I failed to effectively communicate.

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                    You seem to be under the impression people are complacent as workers and don’t want to own their own business. I offered my own anecdote as a counterpoint and an example of the barriers that drive people away from entrepreneurship in Canada today- you don’t see the direct relevance, really? Your response is to handwave it away as irrelevant and say these are not opportunities that are meant for someone in my position, when your complaint in the first place was that people lack ambition and drive and that is very much not true, for so many Canadians. “You have to start somewhere” were your exact words, and that is not a reflection of the reality for most people, at all.

                    What exactly are you trying to communicate, if it’s not the implication that the working class is lazy and complacent? If people have to be homeowners for you to be willing to consider their experience, why aren’t you willing to recognize that just a few decades ago, the proximity of the working class to the middle class was quite close and had an appreciable level of overlap that no longer exists as a direct result of wage suppression?