Apex Legends is taking away its support for the Steam Deck and Linux - eviltoast
    • conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works
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      22 days ago

      Yes, people can still cheat with a camera and manipulating inputs. There will never be a way around that.

      But that’s entirely unchanged by adding malware, that, even if it could theoretically work, should be a literal crime with serious jail time attached. Client side validation is never security and cannot resemble security.

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        22 days ago

        There are ways to detect and stop that, but they can and should happen on the server, not on the client.

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            22 days ago

            There are lots of options such that you can tune your false positive/negative rate. 🤷‍♂️ Tons of ways you can structure this depending on your game’s tech.

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              22 days ago

              No options that resemble legitimate or evidence based in any way.

              If a computer has the exact same input and output tools as a human, you cannot possibly do better than guessing. It is a literal certainty that you will ban legitimate players doing nothing wrong for being too good if you try, and it’s unconditionally not acceptable to do so.

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                22 days ago

                Client side anti-cheat faces similar issues, and there unlike your server you don’t control the hardware.

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                  22 days ago

                  I’m not sure why you think I’m saying client side is better when I called it malware.

                  There is no approach that is theoretically capable of doing anything at all to impact a camera and automated inputs, and there is no way of trying to do so that is acceptable. It’s simply a reality of online gaming.