How Much Spying do We as a Society Wish to Allow? - eviltoast

Almost everything based in technology spies on everyone now a days and most people are alright with it. I don’t understand why people are okay knowing this spying exists. Louis Rossman does a great job here showing us the disgusting tactics used by big corporations to gaslight people into believing them over what these companies are really nefariously up to.

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    1 year ago

    My (often unpopular) opinion is: none. Our government agencies should exert their efforts improving privacy and security rather than subverting it. We should be a nation of white hat hackers.

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      1 year ago

      That would be amazing. I also think that everything and everyone one in any level of government should let their actions, money, etc. be open source and viewable to everyone.

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        1 year ago

        I agree with you strongly. We have the technology, it’s just pointed at the wrong crowd. The eyes of the surveillance state should be on the rich and powerful, not the masses. The price of power should be the loss of privacy.

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        1 year ago

        It sounds great in a world where peace is the standard, but we don’t live in that world.

        You want our military and DoD activities to be fully transparent? Why? So any country on earth can bend us over a couch? Yeah let’s be fully transparent about what we are buying and where it’s going.

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            1 year ago

            This argument is coming from the same mindset that if you have nothing to hide you don’t need all that privacy.

            It’s really not. The military is a special case here as they do, in fact, having something to hide. The knowledge of their activities is kind of important for not being ambushed by our foes.

            This might surprise you but most modern Military hardware is far more capable of delivering destruction than withstanding it. Whoever strikes first usually wins unless met with an overwhelming counter response. You give that away and the opportunists will do what they will do.

            I’m not blind, the military industrial complex as a whole needs torn to a fraction of its current stature, but “let’s just let everyone know everything and where and the cost…” is just one more populist standpoint that will end in horrible failure.

            “War is a racket” will give you a better idea on how to combat the growth of the military industrial complex.

            As for the CIA/NSA/FBI, yeah they should be absolutely transparent no doubt about it.

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              1 year ago

              You want the FBI to be transparent when they frequently have to investigate criminals on the lowdown to get them to expose themselves?

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                1 year ago

                Unless it’s part of an active investigation, sure. The moment they’re in cuffs it needs to come out.

                Otherwise what else is the FBI doing? Probably tapping your phone or selling crack to people they want to see in legalized slavery.

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          Look at how much money the US spends (creates) for their military. It’s more and more and more every year and we have no idea were lots of it goes towards. Then wars are milked for the military industrial complex to profit off of. Certainly some operations can be kept secret to some degree but it has gone way too far currently.

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            Look, im a veteran who’s absolutely onboard with gutting the MI complex. Don’t get me wrong. Eisenhower rang the bell on that one half a century ago and I’ve seen personally what war profiteering leads to.

            That being said, just “tell everyone everything!” Just can’t work. We’d be better off changing other things to stop the takeover of Boeing, Northrop, LM, etc. Unfortunately things that would absolutely be too drastic for our modern comfy lives, like enforcing income restrictions during wartime and changing the voting process from Congress to draftees.

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              I totally get what you’re saying and there is certainly not a good way or one way of solving these problems. I believe that the government has no trust left to give. Just like if one person in a relationship made too many mistakes over and over to degrade trust the partner might want them to be totally transparent. While not ideal to have everything in a government transparent we are so far down the loss of trust rabbit hole that only something drastic to uproot our comfy lives needs to be taken. My ideas are certainly not perfect but we the people need to come to some consensus soon and give up some convienences for the better

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            1 year ago

            It isn’t so much a matter of secrecy as a lack of oversight. If they have a shitty contract awarding system it isn’t secret just that no one is watching it.

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      1 year ago

      They are. In this case their view is that they’d rather your car be able to receive security updates via ota than be subject to hacking by Blackhats unknown. And as a result they aren’t necessarily going to go back on that because the automaker is selling your data. What we need are data privacy laws. But security laws are already in place in a lot of cases.

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      1 year ago

      its not that ur opinion is unpopular but its about as good as saying communism is good. which is to say it is good on paper but it wouldn’t work in practice due to people being people