Question - eviltoast

I want to preface this by saying that we have a zero tolerance policy for transphobia. Your comment will be removed and you will be banned if you spout transphobia here. Our existence is not up for debate.

That said, how do you differentiate being transgender and being trans racial?

I’m curious how to answer this question in a good faith debate with someone. Emotionally I know that they’re not the same and that one is wrong and the other is not wrong, but I’m unsure as to why that is and am curious if anyone else has given any thought about it.

    • socialpankakemix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      1 month ago

      participating in institutionally racist system, that position racism as the norm, is indeed a very large problem that most people don’t know they are participating in yea

      unfortunately that institutionally racist system is society, and most people don’t fully understand the consequences of their actions, and non participation in society isn’t the answer.

      we can’t just flip a switch and end racism by just pretending it all went away, but I do believe that if we keep making progress then one day, we can move on and create a society that works for us all.

      • Ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        1 month ago

        unfortunately that institutionally racist system is society, and most people don’t fully understand the consequences of their actions, and non participation in society isn’t the answer.

        This directly contradicts your first reply, in which you say the only people who care about race are racists. If are part of an institutionally racist system that targets them (which they are), then they are going to think about race, because it impacts every aspect of their life, and saying that it’s only racists that think about it completely erases that reality.

        Like saying the only people who think about gender are transphobes and sexists. It’s just blatantly incorrect, and erases the lived experience of many people who are actively targeted by institutional bias against them

        The ideal world you’re talking about in your first reply is made actively harder to achieve by denying the reality in which we’re currently living, and it comes across as a racist dogwhistle. The only reason I haven’t removed it is because your later posts make it clear that it isn’t intended that way, but I am going to need you to edit your first post so it doesn’t come across as erasing the experiences of people targeted by racism

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          1 month ago

          your either targeted by the system, or you benefit from it, my comments about the people who dont understand or care, are in the latter camp, the people who are targets of the system, i would argue, dont care about race, at least not in the way racists do, they care about being oppressed, and racism is the tool that is leveraged to do the oppressing.

          at the end of the day, it doesnt matter what avenue of discrimination they use to oppress people, but it is highly valuable to understand their avenues of attack and tactics they use to trick people into believing bigoted rhetoric. thats why im here engaging in this conversation, not trying to deny the reality we live in.

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            1 month ago

            your either targeted by the system, or you benefit from it,

            And either way, you think about the system in question, but your original post still says that the only people who think about race are racists, ignoring the reality that people targeted by racism have no choice but to think about race. Thinking about race because racist systems target you does not make you racist, and disempowers the targets of racism trying to address the issue. Downplaying that experience is a racist dogwhistle. I need you to edit/clarify that post to include some of the context you’ve provided in your later posts, to make it clear that it’s not a dog whistle, otherwise, I will have to remove the post