I’m new here. I don’t really know anything about the Lemmy devs.
But…that tweet is not particularly transphobic? I’m going to take a hard look at anyone who uses the phrase “the transgender topic”. But if that’s the best proof that the Lemmy devs are transphobic, it’s not terribly convincing.
Things like that get parroted as ‘common sense’ so often by conservatives and our brains tend to start ignoring it as obviously false. Then it becomes easy to not notice the same phrasing in other contexts, since we are used to actively dismissing that kind of bullshit.
The only thing I really saw was the talking point about amab people in women’s sports, but I don’t think that itself is enough to jump to transphobe, I’ve heard really good arguments and data for both sides of it. The hatred is the real problem (in that specific debate)
I’m not going to form a solid opinion about someone with one tweet. I will certainly keep an eye out for more information.
(I don’t think using Lemmy profits this person? I don’t know. I care much more about supporting someone who may be transphobic than just knowing they exist.)
“Biological male” is a meaningless term generally used by transphobes. And the whole debate is transphobic on its face. Nobody cares about women’s sports at all, and now people jumping to"defend their sanctity" are just goofy.
I hate being that guy, but that’s false on a number of levels. If it was meaningless, hormone treatments and puberty blockers wouldn’t be something ever needed as part of treatment for dysphoria or transistioning.
There’s different bone structure signs often used in identification of cadavers and fossils. Different natural hormonal balances effect body growth and muscle development. They effect health risk factors and medical treatment in emergencies. Medical professionals don’t ask about biological sex just because they want to trigger someone’s dysphoria, they ask because it has measurable effects on treatment options.
There are measurable, quantifiable differences that can’t be hand waved away by the idea that someone is merely assigned a gender at birth. To claim otherwise is to claim that people requiring medical intervention for their dysphoria are faking or overemphasizing the necessity for them, and that simply changing their clothes should be enough. Biological sex is something that unfortunately exists outside of the purely social contstructs around gender and gender presentation.
I don’t have a solution in regards to the sports competition thing, and I hate with every fiber of my being that this shit has become a rallying cry for transphobes, but ignoring facts about the biological reality of sexual dipmorphism is denying that people can even have a mismatch between their biological sex and gender.
I understand the feeling that it doesn’t matter in nearly every situation in life, but when it comes to medicine and body development, if biological sex didn’t exist or matter than how could anyone need anything more than declaring their pronouns and changing how they dress?
It’s possible to go too far and end up in a place that deny the realities that cause dysphoria in the first place, and you’re there.
Thank you for your reply. I don’t think we disagree that much, but I’m afraid we may be miscommunicating a bit.
What determines “biological sex”?
Chromosomes? Except someone with Androgen Insensitivity may have XY chromosomes, but physically appear to be female.
Genitalia? But we have intersex people with ambiguous genitalia
Testosterone? Caster Semanya
Full disclosure: this seems more your field than mine. I don’t think I’m educating you, just trying to clarify my point. It seems like you’re arguing against “There’s no such thing as assigned gender at birth”. What I’m saying
that there is no objective way to categorize all humans into neat little sex boxes. Biological sex is a spectrum with most people either at the “male” point or the “female” point, but some examples everywhere in between.
I’m new here. I don’t really know anything about the Lemmy devs.
But…that tweet is not particularly transphobic? I’m going to take a hard look at anyone who uses the phrase “the transgender topic”. But if that’s the best proof that the Lemmy devs are transphobic, it’s not terribly convincing.Not really sure how I misread the tweet.
The part about “allowing biological men to compete in women’s sports” confirms that “the transgender topic” is not just a sketchy phrasing.
I’m sorry, apparently I can’t read. I somehow glossed over that part. Thanks for the clarification.
Things like that get parroted as ‘common sense’ so often by conservatives and our brains tend to start ignoring it as obviously false. Then it becomes easy to not notice the same phrasing in other contexts, since we are used to actively dismissing that kind of bullshit.
The only thing I really saw was the talking point about amab people in women’s sports, but I don’t think that itself is enough to jump to transphobe, I’ve heard really good arguments and data for both sides of it. The hatred is the real problem (in that specific debate)
I’m not going to form a solid opinion about someone with one tweet. I will certainly keep an eye out for more information.
(I don’t think using Lemmy profits this person? I don’t know. I care much more about supporting someone who may be transphobic than just knowing they exist.)
“Biological male” is a meaningless term generally used by transphobes. And the whole debate is transphobic on its face. Nobody cares about women’s sports at all, and now people jumping to"defend their sanctity" are just goofy.
I hate being that guy, but that’s false on a number of levels. If it was meaningless, hormone treatments and puberty blockers wouldn’t be something ever needed as part of treatment for dysphoria or transistioning.
There’s different bone structure signs often used in identification of cadavers and fossils. Different natural hormonal balances effect body growth and muscle development. They effect health risk factors and medical treatment in emergencies. Medical professionals don’t ask about biological sex just because they want to trigger someone’s dysphoria, they ask because it has measurable effects on treatment options.
There are measurable, quantifiable differences that can’t be hand waved away by the idea that someone is merely assigned a gender at birth. To claim otherwise is to claim that people requiring medical intervention for their dysphoria are faking or overemphasizing the necessity for them, and that simply changing their clothes should be enough. Biological sex is something that unfortunately exists outside of the purely social contstructs around gender and gender presentation.
I don’t have a solution in regards to the sports competition thing, and I hate with every fiber of my being that this shit has become a rallying cry for transphobes, but ignoring facts about the biological reality of sexual dipmorphism is denying that people can even have a mismatch between their biological sex and gender.
I understand the feeling that it doesn’t matter in nearly every situation in life, but when it comes to medicine and body development, if biological sex didn’t exist or matter than how could anyone need anything more than declaring their pronouns and changing how they dress?
It’s possible to go too far and end up in a place that deny the realities that cause dysphoria in the first place, and you’re there.
Thank you for your reply. I don’t think we disagree that much, but I’m afraid we may be miscommunicating a bit.
What determines “biological sex”?
Chromosomes? Except someone with Androgen Insensitivity may have XY chromosomes, but physically appear to be female.
Genitalia? But we have intersex people with ambiguous genitalia
Testosterone? Caster Semanya
Full disclosure: this seems more your field than mine. I don’t think I’m educating you, just trying to clarify my point. It seems like you’re arguing against “There’s no such thing as assigned gender at birth”. What I’m saying that there is no objective way to categorize all humans into neat little sex boxes. Biological sex is a spectrum with most people either at the “male” point or the “female” point, but some examples everywhere in between.