Discussion - eviltoast
  • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    So this is lefty memes? Making fun of liberals by referring to them as centrists is nothing but a self-righteous attempt at driving a wedge. I’m guessing you don’t know many liberals.

    I’m economically progressive with many liberal friends. I can say with confidence that your accusations are incorrect.

    Liberals support increased taxation on the wealthy with proportional increase of social programs. Just because it isn’t full-on worker ownership of business does not make it any less a form of wealth redistribution. It’s just not the form you approve of.

    • expr@programming.dev
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      8 hours ago

      Exactly, heavy taxation on the ultra wealthy and wealth caps are incredibly popular topics in liberal circles. I swear some people have never actually talked to a liberal and just attack some strawman they’ve lumped in together with conservatives.

      I’m leftist and anti-capitalist, but I also recognize that most liberals are people who want the same things leftists do, but simply haven’t thought deeply enough about what the true root causes of society’s issues are. It’s an issue of tactics rather than a fundamental disconnect in core principles and values. Ultimately they want a more equitable, less stratified society where society helps and supports the disenfranchised. The same thing leftists want. They just don’t understand that capitalism has to go in order to achieve it.

      Liberals, unlike conservatives, are actually generally quite reasonable people since they aren’t motivated by hatred. As leftists, we should be doing everything we can to educate them and bring them into the fold, rather than tearing them down.

    • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.club
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      7 hours ago

      It honestly comes off as propaganda by the rich to divide groups that could unite to force an increase in taxes on the wealthy.

      • RaoulDook@lemmy.world
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        8 hours ago

        And wasting their time on fantasy bullshit. Nobody’s taking any wealth when wealth has all the guns.

          • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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            9 hours ago

            No need to thank me. I’ll always will be dedicating all my thoughts and prayers to the shitlibs.

            • knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de
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              8 hours ago

              So you make a meme about how liberals won’t discuss things and when they are in the comments to discuss with you you resort to name calling.

              Very mature

              • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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                8 hours ago

                You pretend the comment I was responding to was trying to discuss in good faith?

                Very mature

                • knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de
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                  8 hours ago

                  And you decided to respond to that comment and mine instead of talking to the top comment and discuss with them

                  • null@slrpnk.net
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                    8 hours ago

                    If he actually engaged in the discussion in good faith, like he pretends to want to, then he’d have to stop feeling smugly superior.

                  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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                    7 hours ago

                    Who said I am in a mood to discuss rn? Y’all never never seen a meme, I swear…

            • lostinfog@reddthat.com
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              8 hours ago

              Maybe if you’d dedicate some of your thoughts on something else you would have a better life? Just a thought

              • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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                8 hours ago

                never heard of the “thoughts and prayers” trope eh? I guess I expected too much of you.

    • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      8 hours ago

      Liberals absolutely arent centrists, Social Democrats are centrist. Liberals are right wing, fundamentally you cannot be a leftist while supporting a “free” capitalist economy and minimal government (thats what Liberalism is).

      • knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de
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        8 hours ago

        Nah dude a liberal can be right wing and another lib can be left. You can be a liberal soc dem if you want

          • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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            6 hours ago

            From your linked article:

            The diversity of liberalism can be gleaned from the numerous qualifiers that liberal thinkers and movements have attached to the term “liberalism”, including classical, egalitarian, economic, social, the welfare state, ethical, humanist, deontological, perfectionist, democratic, and institutional, to name a few. Despite these variations, liberal thought does exhibit a few definite and fundamental conceptions.

            Yup. A single set definition alright.🙄

            • TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml
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              5 hours ago

              And they all still enshrine the sanctity of private property which was my point when referencing the definition. All the variations of liberalism still boil down to a capitalist ideology.

    • whotookkarl@lemmy.world
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      8 hours ago

      What are the tenants of the neoliberalism economic philosophy?

      Edit: not saying the philosophy definition is the only def, just pointing out there are multiple common usages so when someone says ‘liberal’ without defining the term it’s ambiguous.