The Vote Socialist campaign stands unequivocally with the Palestinian people as they stand strong in the face of one year of US-Israeli genocide in Gaza. - eviltoast

For decades, we have been in the streets in defense of the Palestinian people, and will continue to fight until the total liberation of Palestine!

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    1 month ago

    I agree with them that Palestinians should be free, that Israel should stop the genocide, that America should stop supporting the genocide. And I agree that Donald Trump would be the worst

    You would like to believe this in theory but clearly do not really think so. Otherwise, you would not be telling everyone to support the genocidal Biden-Harris administration.

    And I agree that Donald Trump would be the worst possible candidate to put in charge of the executive branch of the US government.

    We’ve had a Trump presidency and he didn’t start any genocides. The main genocide he continued was Obama’s targeting Yemen, but Trump deescalated it by comparison. We don’t need hypotheticals, we already know that, in action, your cabdidates are more bloodthirsty war criminals.

    Though the entire premise is flawed. Maybe you should take a step back and ask what you are contributing to by normalizing genocide. By, instead of helping organize resistance, you are trying to sheepdog people back into the fold so they vote for genociders. Look at yourself in a mirror and reoeat those words.

    I only disagree with two points. First, I do not agree that Kamala Harris is the same as Donald Trump, not on any issue.

    Kamala Harris rarely takes any stances of her own, mostly just taking on others’ talking points. She then reverses course any old time with no consequences aside from the fact that nobody can name a single thing they like about her, There is nothing there to directly grasp onto rhetorically. You can have nothing to say about her policy positions with any confidence outside if her track record of tailing power and courting the right. California’s top cop just announced she would put a Republican in her cabinet, Lmao. Aren’t Republicans an existential threat, per your team-based logic?

    But in action, we know she is lockstep with the Biden admin and the DNC was a dystopian nightmare of JOYOUS celebration of genociders (thank you Joe!) and Israel, though I repeat myself.

    Second, I do not agree that voting for a nonviable third party in a national election will have any effect on Democrats or their policies.

    Democrats have routinely courted the votes of people that otherwise refuse to vote for them based on specific issues. This does not mean that they will actually respond to every demand, but your belief is ahistorical. Have you not notice Dems moving right? They’re trying to peel off Republican voters. Do you know why they do that? Do you know how their strategists think of their “left”, such as it is? They know that they could gain votes from Republicans and think they already have your vote locked down. What are you going to do, vote third party? This little piece of illogic works on you to disempower yourself. They don’t have to do anything except vilify their opponent and you do the rest of the work!

    You need to develop discipline if you are to do anything good electorally, let alone stop excusing genocide.

    I agree with de la Cruz on more issues than I do with Harris. Healthcare, taxation, military spending, reparations, Indigenous sovereignty… Pretty much everything except those two points, so I’m voting for Harris because she’s better than Trump.

    Is a candidate better when they can get away with genocide without your opposition? Y’all went straight to sleep after Biden was elected and are now excusing genocide.

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      A candidate is better when they are on enough of the ballots to win the election. Claudia is not. She does not have any conceivable path to 270. She literally cannot win. Casting a vote for her is saying you don’t care who actually wins. I actually care.

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        First, just want to note that you ignored basically everything I said. If you can’t actually engage with what I say, you can always just not write a comment at all.

        A candidate is better when they are on enough of the ballots to win the election. Claudia is not.

        I challenged you to think about the harm created by normalization. You can’t help but try and slot it into “but my genocidet can win the election” logic. Do you not see the disconnect?

        She does not have any conceivable path to 270. She literally cannot win.

        Yes everyone is aware of this, you are just catching up.

        Casting a vote for her is saying you don’t care who actually wins.

        First, did you already forget how the electoral college works? It’s not like your vote is actually for Harris and will help her win in most states. But you loudly announcing support for a genocider does have impact.

        Voting third party in this situation, as in most, says, "neither major candidate is acceptable to me. You are pretending this means a lack of investment in outcomes, but it actually means having a realistic idea of how you can begin to forward political interests rather than being a sheepdog for genocidal empire.

        Again, your “strategy” is to cheerlead genociders. And of course it isn’t your strategy, it’s the same PR group-tested vote shaming strategy that has led to Democrats being able to openly do genocide while knowing they won’t lose your vote. Your “strategy” is why we are here.