I am happy that you care but you realize that I didn’t express that he shouldn’t get hrt. The person expressed that they are one and in public discours it is good to accept them like that. If the discussion would be about hrt, I would see where you are coming from to express your assumption but in this case, it is just not really accepting them. It is “I know better, you trans” over a concern that is in the context not expressed and visible.
Remember that trans people and “femboys” might read this and your words to me, a cis man, could impact them, that is why I am insist on calling him what he expressed, fictional or not.
Your concern is accepting and welcoming and trans people probably appreciate your concern and a “femboy” might understand you and accept that it isn’t a dismissal of him but a accepting of a trans person. But unstated, it will be read differently.
yeah, for context I’m a trans woman, this is my community - I personally know trans women who have conceived of themselves as just femboys, and I’ve struggled myself for decades with that kind of denial.
Regardless, I consider it a matter of harm-reduction to protect their right to HRT which does require clinicians acknowledging those people are trans. Denying they are trans and are really cis men does undermine the legitimacy of their access to HRT, since it requires a diagnosis and prescription. The way we conceptualize them can have consequences in healthcare contexts.
Furthermore I think we should be prioritizing supporting people embracing what they are and working past that denial (which clearly comes the socially oppressive conditions we find ourselves in, especially the hermeneutical injustice trans people experience and the pressure from transphobic stigma to remain closeted).
Just like the way the gay community tries to help people who are closeted without just forcing them to come-out (just like “men who have sex with men” I pointed out above), we should be clear-headed about the reality that this is closeted behavior while being polite, patient, and supportive as they work through that denial.
Meanwhile, insisting femboys on HRT can only be cis men because that’s how they identify comes across to me as particularly ignorant of the reality of how we as trans people struggle to conceptualize themselves and what that process commonly looks like. There is a lot of variety in trans experience, but there are also patterns and trends that emerge, and this greentext captures a very common story of how trans women conceptualize themselves.
I appreciate that you are so sensitive that you are defending the way someone is identifying, that is definitely the right way to go. My point is not to force a perspective on someone, but to clue you into the larger trans context of the greentext which your comments made me think you were oblivious to. Maybe I should have approached that educational moment in a better way, so I apologize for being so glib.
Hope you take care as well - thank you for your response and for being so considerate, it would be nice if more people were like you.
I really understand you and given your personal experience (and pain), your reaction might be a bit too confrontational but certainly understandable. I am sorry if I said anything that opened old wounds in you.
I obviously think accepting oneself is very important. I would be never deny the possibility of they being trans. I wasn’t and aren’t aware how often “femboy” is a expression of denialism, or if I misunderstood you, the more appropriate term. Thanks for clueing me in.
That being said, I don’t think I denied the possibility of him being trans but argued for accepting them in public discours however they identify. That doesn’t mean you can talk about the general tendency of closeted trans women in regards of being femboys in public. But maybe not about specific people. I am not affected and can’t tell, but I am really scared that arguing in public without the required context could be a way to unintentionally teach harmful behavior to people, naming publicly doubting and creating a somewhat hostile environment. I am cis straight but it doesn’t take me much empathy to find tears for the pain in the heart of the people we talk about. I just wanna less their pain and maybe that leads on the long term wrong path.
I wanna tell you good bye and hope to read you here again. I wish you happiness. Take care, sister.
I am happy that you care but you realize that I didn’t express that he shouldn’t get hrt. The person expressed that they are one and in public discours it is good to accept them like that. If the discussion would be about hrt, I would see where you are coming from to express your assumption but in this case, it is just not really accepting them. It is “I know better, you trans” over a concern that is in the context not expressed and visible.
Remember that trans people and “femboys” might read this and your words to me, a cis man, could impact them, that is why I am insist on calling him what he expressed, fictional or not.
Your concern is accepting and welcoming and trans people probably appreciate your concern and a “femboy” might understand you and accept that it isn’t a dismissal of him but a accepting of a trans person. But unstated, it will be read differently.
Take care.
yeah, for context I’m a trans woman, this is my community - I personally know trans women who have conceived of themselves as just femboys, and I’ve struggled myself for decades with that kind of denial.
Regardless, I consider it a matter of harm-reduction to protect their right to HRT which does require clinicians acknowledging those people are trans. Denying they are trans and are really cis men does undermine the legitimacy of their access to HRT, since it requires a diagnosis and prescription. The way we conceptualize them can have consequences in healthcare contexts.
Furthermore I think we should be prioritizing supporting people embracing what they are and working past that denial (which clearly comes the socially oppressive conditions we find ourselves in, especially the hermeneutical injustice trans people experience and the pressure from transphobic stigma to remain closeted).
Just like the way the gay community tries to help people who are closeted without just forcing them to come-out (just like “men who have sex with men” I pointed out above), we should be clear-headed about the reality that this is closeted behavior while being polite, patient, and supportive as they work through that denial.
Meanwhile, insisting femboys on HRT can only be cis men because that’s how they identify comes across to me as particularly ignorant of the reality of how we as trans people struggle to conceptualize themselves and what that process commonly looks like. There is a lot of variety in trans experience, but there are also patterns and trends that emerge, and this greentext captures a very common story of how trans women conceptualize themselves.
I appreciate that you are so sensitive that you are defending the way someone is identifying, that is definitely the right way to go. My point is not to force a perspective on someone, but to clue you into the larger trans context of the greentext which your comments made me think you were oblivious to. Maybe I should have approached that educational moment in a better way, so I apologize for being so glib.
Hope you take care as well - thank you for your response and for being so considerate, it would be nice if more people were like you.
I really understand you and given your personal experience (and pain), your reaction might be a bit too confrontational but certainly understandable. I am sorry if I said anything that opened old wounds in you.
I obviously think accepting oneself is very important. I would be never deny the possibility of they being trans. I wasn’t and aren’t aware how often “femboy” is a expression of denialism, or if I misunderstood you, the more appropriate term. Thanks for clueing me in.
That being said, I don’t think I denied the possibility of him being trans but argued for accepting them in public discours however they identify. That doesn’t mean you can talk about the general tendency of closeted trans women in regards of being femboys in public. But maybe not about specific people. I am not affected and can’t tell, but I am really scared that arguing in public without the required context could be a way to unintentionally teach harmful behavior to people, naming publicly doubting and creating a somewhat hostile environment. I am cis straight but it doesn’t take me much empathy to find tears for the pain in the heart of the people we talk about. I just wanna less their pain and maybe that leads on the long term wrong path.
I wanna tell you good bye and hope to read you here again. I wish you happiness. Take care, sister.