The Housing Crisis Isn’t Going Anywhere Until We Tackle Property Wealth Inequality - eviltoast
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    House Hoarding is also an issue, but at least a Canadian is going to rent it to make cash and provide housing. Foreign owners often sit on empty prooerties to move money from China (or elsewhere) and so you have a full house vacant. This creates a lot of housing supply issues thus driiving prices artificially. If we had enough units available for anybody looking, even canadian house horders woyld see rental price drop, and make it not so lucrative to rent

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      If we had enough units available for anybody looking

      That’s literally what price is for. The higher the price, the fewer people actually looking. Eventually equilibrium is found where what is for sale matches those serious about buying.

      If you think there are more people looking than there are units, expect prices to climb a whole lot more.

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        It is actually the more demand drives higher price. high price doesn’t stop people needing housing, it just means everyone pays more and affordable housing for low income gets bought up by middle income because the higher prices in their old home range. i’m in BC it has not stopped climbing, even though they are building everwhere. The 5 year old house across the street from me is empty with weeds growing up through the porch, because it got sold and the new owner did not occupy it.

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          It is actually the more demand drives higher price.

          An increase in demand at a given price will see the price climb, but in doing so demand will decline in kind. That is why the price rises – to allow those who demand something more to “win”, pushing other parties who were interested at the lower price out of the market. “I would like to have something” isn’t what defines demand.

          high price doesn’t stop people needing housing

          Housing is more inelastic than a lot of things, but there is always a bowing out point. The average person might be able to eke out a million dollar home, but they’d never be able to buy a billion dollar home. They’d go find a tent to pitch in the forest, or something.

          i’m in BC it has not stopped climbing

          The data clearly shows that early 2022 was the top of the market. Maybe it will climb again, but for now that is not true.

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            People don’t move to a tent when they have a family, they still buy a home or rent at high rates and do less living as a result. i have been iin BC 13 years it has increased every year, and new developments are constant. it is going to keep going up until there are more units in the supply than the demand. it is simple economics 101 with a fair market system.

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              People don’t move to a tent when they have a family

              They do when they can’t afford a house. Like, actually can’t afford a house, not just saying they can’t afford a house on an internet forum while occupying one just fine behind the anonymous internet username.

              it is going to keep going up until there are more units in the supply than the demand.

              Indeed, although BC prices peaked in 2022, so we’re already there. The higher cost of housing on the backs of higher interest rates has no doubt quashed some demand. A higher cost sees a decline in demand. Imagine that.

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                Its a slow in sales, not that housing demand got less. people are just forced into higher rent situations instead.

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                  Sales have slowed and people have found alternative options, but demand hasn’t declined…?

                  Formally, demand requires desire to purchase a good or service – which I imagine is still there when it comes to housing, but also willingness to pay the price – which has clearly eroded, by your own admission.

                  In reality, the cost got too high and demand backed away. That’s how it works. That’s literally why we put a price on things which do not have an infinite supply – to scare excess demand away. Outside of a shortage, which is a situation where some external factor prevents price from rising, price will rise until enough demand is sacred away that the supply can meet what demand remains.

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                    The houses get bought by the slightly richer class, demand for a house doesn’t stop here when we have tens of thousands of new people moving to vancouver area every year. It means people pay drastic rent or , sublet half their living room has a living space, with the hope of getting into the market. Rates and price inflation prevents those wanting a home to actually aquire one. As soon as somebody does eek out enough they are competing in bidding wars here because of a housing shortage. Shortage produces upward pressure on pricing in every market including housing. Nobody is setting fake high prices thereby curbing demand. The prices are that high because it will get sold at that price, the demand is there for it. We need more units, more density, and stop letting people have vacant homes. Once that happens the market will deflate because there will be leas demand on available supply of units. i would agree with you if we had un sold units sitting on the market forever and then you can say demand is low, But we don’t have that here, we have a shortage of dwellings.