Just curious how many of you are cool with this deeply racist image being the header for one of your comms
Sorry, I’m not quite sure how a picture mocking a specific person for something other than race is racist, let alone deeply so.
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It’s not even someone they like, they just use it for easy trolling just like in this thread.
Edited to add: don’t feed the trolls by responding to anyone from hexbear. Just use your Lemmy client’s features to block the user or the instance. Connect on Android has great blocking features.
he’s literally in my dm’s right now laughing at you
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when a majority white community mocks a chinese man by comparing his appearance to a yellow bear, it’s a little weird
The comparisons were first made in China, actually. The only reason we even know about the comparison is because he got so offended by them, and we keep doing it because he’s upset by it. It’s more about shape than colour, especially since Xi Jinping tends to wear trousers.
Hello Susaga! I’m going to repost a comment I made a few hours ago, in this instance:
"Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist.
Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now.
And there are historical precedents of this kind of racism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril"
Could you demonstrate that transformation with other examples from here? Other asian people being compared to other yellow characters? Or has it remained specifically one person compared to one character?
Are bears a common racist stereotype for asians? I havent seen it
It’s specific to Xi Jinping. Chinese memelords started it in ~2013, and the country’s censors were so offended by it that the Streisand Effect kicked in.
Okay putting you down as being okay with it. Got it ty
I’m okay with it because it’s not racist. What is there in this picture to not be okay with?
The racism
What racism? You have yet to explain what’s racist about this picture. I am willing to accept that I’m wrong and I’m just not seeing it from the right perspective, but you have to be willing to explain why rather than just condemn.
You don’t see why tinting an Asian person’s skin yellow is racist? Would you say the same thing about this?
Alright, I can see that. Not deliberate, as they also tinted his suit red to heighten the comparison to Winnie the Pooh, who also has a yellow face, but I can see your perspective now you’ve actually given it. Deeply racist is absolutely a stretch, though, but “kinda racist” is absolutely correct.
Oh well as long as you’re absolutely sure the obvious racism wasn’t deliberate it’s okay
That’s a reach lolol. Did Pooh Bear put you up to this? Promise a bump on your social credit score if you’d go online and say anyone that calls Xi Winnie the Pooh is racist?
It’s not yellow because he’s Asian you raging edgelord, it’s cause he’s Pooh Bear, and Winnie the Pooh is yellow.
Go back to licking your authoritarian, human rights abusing quasi-dictator’s boots ya fop.
Winni the Pooh is yellow…
And Xi Jinping, a Chinese man, is not. Perhaps this will help you understand the issue
In what way is it racist? Is there a particular ethnicity which is commonly depicted as Winnie the Poo?
Just going to sum up the responses thus far
Keep up the good work, Foucaults!It ain’t easy, but it’s an honest days work
The only times ive seen hexbear users show up is disingenuous trolling like this.
Hence why they should be defederated from. The entire instance is just full of trolls and dictatorship defenders.
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Also someone please tell this smuglord that his instance isn’t federated with ours and we can’t see or respond to his comments, lol
Yeah I guess it is racist to say a singular person defines an entire race, you should maybe try not being so racist
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were fired
For context, the joke is that the authoritarian dictator of china has outlawed depictions of whiney the poo in relation to their leader after chinease people started saying he looked like the character.
You can go to jail for wearing a poo bear t-shirt. A children’s cartoon is now an icon of resistance, which is wild.
This is no different than that LGBT Putin image that’ll get you put in jail in russia.
The yellow skin is, in my opinion, kinda fucked though. I know that the vast majority of people on here using it don’t mean it that way but the effect would be kept while not changing the skin colour. The ears and red shirt are enough. Again though, the people using it are not necessarily racist for doing so.
To pre-empt the enevitable user entirely disinterested in conversation trying to epicly own me as has been the entire post from OP, yes, I’m entirely ok with this. You can ‘mark me down’ as whatever you wish.
For the hexbear users (or others) who want a conversation, out of curiosity, does your issue extend to the existance of this community on our platform? Is the issue only with the yellow skin? Does this, and if so how, make the people using it racist or would you say a non-racist person would never use this?
china has outlawed depictions of whiney the poo
https://www.shanghaidisneyresort.com/en/entertainment/theme-park/characters-meet-pooh/
That’s actually a mislabeled image of Grinny the Goo, an unrelated character.
also thought of Winnie the Pooh with Chinese Characteristics
the joke is that the authoritarian dictator of china has outlawed depictions of whiney the poo after chinease people started saying he looked like the character.
Wow, that is a joke. It’s not a very good joke. Who came up with it?
(That literally never happened)
Xi Jinping did https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855
Also if this is about asian racism why is japans prime minister not represented by a yellow character?
People have been jailed for this
Edit: better links. Radio Free Asia can’t really be trusted
https://www.axios.com/2020/01/23/china-arrests-university-minnesota-twitter
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/china-student-arrested-xi-jinping/
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855
For clarity, my first source: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/tweets-01232020164342.html
Radio Free Asia cited
You are correct, that’s a shit source. They’ve lied alot in the past, apologies for my failure here.
Here are some better sources: https://www.axios.com/2020/01/23/china-arrests-university-minnesota-twitter
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/china-student-arrested-xi-jinping/
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855
You truly have epicly owned me, with facts, and logic even.
image in question
Ah, so this is the person you’re referring to. In that case, yeah his arrest was warranted. It turns out you can’t just spread fatphobic and racist imagery around in American social media networks and not expect to eat shit.
Posting three of the same headline piece is also meaningless, all three of them are obvious western sources. Your first post of RFA also ruined your credibility. We don’t overlook that.
The CPC take measures to prevent reactionary content from being proliferated. This is normal for a country.
He was also only sentenced to 6 months, hardly life shattering. Meanwhile rabid disinformation campaigns in the US are facilitated or outright encouraged by standing political officials.
You can refer to the picture in iridaniotter’s comment for evidence countering the assertion that Winnie the Pooh is not depicted within China in any capacity. As for your claims about Luo Daiqing, the Axios article cites a court document that is written entirely in Mandarin and a Twitter account that has been suspended, while the article on the Daily Dot relies on the Axios piece, so unless you’re able to read Mandarin, you posted a source who’s validity you and most other people here have no way of confirming because it validated what you already believed.
For the record, I am assuming that Luo was arrested and sentenced for the reason Axios alleges they were out of good faith, but your apparent inability to vet the sources you link, which is evidenced by both what I talked about above and the fact that you initially posted nothing but an almost comically transparent propaganda piece, is troubling nonetheless
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Asia_(Committee_for_a_Free_Asia)
Your citation is CIA propaganda.
You are correct, that’s a shit source. They’ve lied alot in the past, apologies for my failure here.
Here are some better sources: https://www.axios.com/2020/01/23/china-arrests-university-minnesota-twitter
https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/china-student-arrested-xi-jinping/
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855
Thank you for the correction
The first two articles are not about a ban on Winnie the Pooh in China which was the subject of the original claim, so I’ll put a pin in that.
Your BBC link isn’t really a better source than RFA. Instead of a cutout it’s just state media. And what’s in that article is just a straight up lie.
You can talk to actual people in China. They can take photos with their cameras of the displays of licensed Disney products with Winnie the Pooh for sale. The idea that they banned Winnie the Pooh is cold war propaganda. And it can only be maintained in a bubble.
That is a quora link my dude, and is not a reasonable citation. Just some guy. To claim it’s a lie with your proof being a random dude on quora, a site I frequent due to their insane conspiracy theories, nazi delusion and trump dick sucking, and obviously made up stories, is not convincing.
You are correct though, the concept of winnie the pooh is not fully banned, just in refference to their authoritarian leader. As all critisism of their government is censored, or banned.
Secondarily, these posts do speak on winnie the pooh.
From the first article:
Thirdly, I could give you a million links and they’d always be ‘propaganda’. I need you to substantiate that for the BBC. Here’s a few more: https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/winnie-the-pooh-china-ban https://wikiless.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Winnie-the-Pooh_in_China?lang=en https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/18/asia/china-pooh-censor-trnd/index.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/07/china-reportedly-bans-disneys-winnie-the-pooh-film-after-xi-compariso.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/07/china-bans-winnie-the-pooh-film-to-stop-comparisons-to-president-xi https://www.npr.org/2023/03/23/1165504942/winnie-the-pooh-xi-jinping-china-film https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/south-park-banned-chinese-internet-critical-episode-1245783/
Lastly, I know many Chinese people, and talk to them frequently about this subject. The issue to you seems to be that I’m talking to the ‘wrong’ Chinese people. This ‘if you just speak to these people’ argument is never a convincing one. On either side, Chinese people arguing for or against either of our opinions on the subject does not provide proof for or against. Nearly half of Americans think that Joe Biden is a socialist. I hope we can agree that’s dumb
No they haven’t, you cited one of the most transparent sources of lies currently active on Earth.
Wow i cannot get a single response from any of you guys. I take it ive hit an indefensible chord
yes, I’m entirely ok with this. You can ‘mark me down’ as whatever you wish.
Very well. I’ll put you down as neutral on racism due to the nuanced take on the issue in your post
Ah, I see. So it’s now considered “racist” to… checks notes have the ability to publicly disagree with the leader of your nation without risking imprisonment or execution.
Yeah, okay.
Try harder, and next time, try with less taste of boot. Authoritarians and their enablers are not welcome here.
“this guy looks like this cartoon character” isn’t racist.
Mitch McConnell looks and sounds like droopy dog, that’s not racist either.
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Didn’t the meme originate from Chinese social media lol? A bit of a reach
Reposting this one again:
"Things can undergo a transformation, just because the original usage might have been innocent. If something starts being used by white racists or western imperialists in a racist way, would ya look at that, it’s racist.
Also, it’s covert racism. It gives people plausible deniability. Like you are doing now.
And there are historical precedents of this kind of racism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril"
Also reposting
Could you demonstrate that transformation with other examples from here? Other asian people being compared to other yellow characters? Or has it remained specifically one person compared to one character?
We censoring political cartoons now?
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Damn, didn’t expect to put a fellow Hexbear down on the pro-racism side but I guess thems the breaks
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“hello fellow hexbears”
I have a feeling they’re going to switch instances over to here where they can openly express their views about other races
Gawd damnit! I’m gonna have hide all the calipers again…
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Okay, I’ll put you down for the pro-racism side. Noting here that being anti-communist is more important than being anti-racist
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Okay, amending the note to say that both anti-racism and anti-communism are unimportant to you
Communists tried to kill my grandfather during WW2, what’s wrong about wanting to live ?
I have some bad news about your grandfather.
It has to do with where most of the Communists did their fighting in WWII.
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being pro racism to own the evil stankies
Bears aren’t a race.
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