“Communism bad” - eviltoast
  • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    As a theory, sure. I just have yet to see it expressed in any functional way that didn’t devolve into a shit show. See: Russia, etc.,

    I think it’s telling that so many wish for a return to communism but still defend Putin’s atrocities. :|

    • Filthmontane@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Russia devolved into capitalism. Funding a military is incredibly expensive and necessary when a communist country wants to exist in a world with the United States. This creates a militant economy that must be centrally governed to coordinate this military might. True democratic socialism is impossible as long as the United States exists as an imperialist force.

      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        True democratic socialism is impossible as long as the United States exists as an imperialist force.

        1, That’s silly, there’s tons of democratic socialist countries that are doing just fine - today! Bolivia, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Canada, the Netherlands, Spain, Ireland, Belgium, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand - think the US fucks with their way of governing?

        2, the USSR was never a type of democratic socialism. Period. They literally called it ‘soviet democracy’ distinctly, and it meant something WILDLY different that the kinds of democratic socialism we see in the above listed countries.

        Your premise is faulty, built upon an imagined soviet union that did not practice the tenants you’re endorsing.

          • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            I guess you can stick your head into the ground and pretend democratic socialism isn’t a thing.

            https://finance.yahoo.com/news/top-15-democratic-socialist-countries-181857008.html

            it’s stupid, but stupidity is always an option.

            Of course, if you just toss these countries’ accomplishments away, you’re really just undermining the entire premise, because without these successes the record of ‘socialism’ gets a whole fucking lot worse.

            lol

            • Filthmontane@lemmy.world
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              3 months ago

              You’re citing a capitalist finance website to prove your point about socialism. You seem to be confused between social democracy and democratic socialism. I understand because they seem so similar that they must be basically the same thing, right? Nope.

              The Nordic model is a form of social democracy. They take many of the benefits that socialism provides and builds them into a capitalist economy. Democratic socialism is an actual form of a worker owned an operated economy.

              If you’re ever in doubt, ask the question, “who owns the means of production?” If the answer is huge megacorporations and wealthy billionaires, then it’s a capitalist economy. If the answer is the working class, it’s socialist.

              • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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                3 months ago

                if you just toss these countries’ accomplishments away, you’re really just undermining the entire premise, because without these successes the record of ‘socialism’ gets a whole fucking lot worse.

                Ok, then.

      • uis@lemm.ee
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        3 months ago

        True democratic socialism is impossible as long as the United States exists as an imperialist force.

        Not sure how to explain, but I don’t think so.

        • Filthmontane@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          The US has destroyed every socialist country in history that didn’t have a strong enough military to fight them off

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          3 months ago

          So large increases in literacy rates, life expectancy, home ownership, education access, healthcare access, and democratization of society is “devolving into a shitshow?”

          Do you think Russians were better off under the thumb of the Tsar? Do you think Cubans were happier as slaves in Batista’s US-backed slave-state? What point are you genuinely trying to make?