Mod banned me because apparently they're incompetent - eviltoast

What the hell ?!, I was banned for basically saying Andrew Tate is a scumbag, and Prophet Mohammed is a pedophile… did I accuse someone of something they didn’t do ? Nope

  1. For Tate it doesn’t take long to see how much of a A-hole he is … just watch some of his vide… Or don’t…
  2. For Prophet Mohammed, here’s your proof

(عن عائشة قالت تزوجني رسول الله ﷺ وأنا بنت ست ودخل علي وأنا بنت تسع سنين) حاشية السندي على سنن النسائي: أبو الحسن، محمد بن عبد الهادي نور الدين السندي (المتوفى: 1138هـ)

‏ ‏( وَكُنْت أَلْعَب بِالْبَنَاتِ ) ‏ ‏قَالَ فِي النِّ��َايَة أَيْ التَّمَاثِيل الَّتِي يَلْعَب بِهَا الصَّبَايَا قَالَ الْقَاضِي عِيَاض فِيهِ جَوَاز اِتِّخَاذ اللَّعِب وَإِبَاحَة لَعِب الْجَوَارِي بِهَا وَقَدْ جَاءَ فِي الْحَدِيث أَنَّ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ رَأَى ذَلِكَ فَلَمْ يُنْكِرهُ قَالُوا وَسَبَبُه تَدْرِيبُهنَّ بِتَرْبِيَةِ الْأَوْلَاد وَإِصْلَاح شَأْنهنَّ وَبُيُوتهنَّ قَالَ النَّوَوِيّ وَيَحْتَمِل أَنْ يَكُون مَخْصُوصًا مِنْ أَحَادِيث النَّهْي عَنْ اِتِّخَاذ الصُّوَر لِمَا ذُكِرَ مِنْ الْمَصْلَحَة وَيَحْتَمِل أَنْ يَكُون هَذَا مَنْهِيًّا عَنْهُ وَكَانَتْ قَضِيَّة عَائِشَة هَذِهِ وَلَعِبهَا فِي أَوَّل الْهِجْرَة قَبْل تَحْرِيم الصُّوَر قُلْت وَيَحْتَمِل أَنْ يَكُون ذَلِكَ لِكَوْنِهِنَّ دُون الْبُلُوغ فَلَا تَكْلِيف عَلَيْهِنَّ كَمَا جَازَ لِلْوَلِيِّ إِلْبَاس الصَّبِيّ الْحَرِير

But I can’t blame the mods for their incompetence, I can’t expect them to speak multiple languages and understand complexe cultural issues, I can’t expect them to have a critical eye for religion scriptures, and i certainly will expecting a lot if I asked for trying to understand someone life experiences and background before going for the nuclear option…

There’s that, but the other side of the coin is that if you defend that… it actually says something about the mod and their true personality… And if that’s the case …then it’s a shame

Anyways, I went back to see the mod log and Rule 2 is

  • No bigotry, racism, antisemitism, dehumanisation of minorities, or glorification of National Socialism.

Not only does this rule blend everything together, but it’s vague and lacking… and the entire sub has three rules in total… lol

Oh and btw, I was banned from a sublemmy then the entire server afterwards

  • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
    34·
    4 months ago

    There’s no modlog activity associated with the account you posted on.

    It doesn’t sound like you were beeing nice in the community you were participating in if you were trying to cause a religious war.

    In the future, you may not want to try to bait people into a heated topic about deeply held religious beliefs.

    Is this you? https://awful.systems/modlog?page=1&userId=5667616

    You were looking for a fight, you found your fight, if you don’t want to get banned in the future you should have constructive discussions.

    You made a new account, shopped around trying to be offensive. Found people to respond to. And now you’re coming here shopping for outrage that you got feedback on your other account

    You clearly knew what you were doing was wrong, you have a 9-month-old Lemmy account, but you made a brand new account to have your fights with. You wouldn’t do that if you thought you were correct

    @jerry@infosec.pub @shellsharks@infosec.pub

    You might want to look at this users (from your instance) sock puppet activity

    • TehPers@beehaw.orgEnglish
      8·
      4 months ago

      Ah, that server. The name fits well. Glad they banned me a while back, it means I don’t have to see it anymore.

      Anyway, no clue what OP is expecting to get out of this post aside from another ban.

      • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
        11·
        4 months ago

        Venting or looking for support of their viewpoint, though they are demonstrating they don’t take feedback well. They will bounce around until they find a online niche echo chamber that supports their worldview, and think everyone else is being unreasonable

      • ΛdΛm_𝒷@infosec.pubOPEnglish
        3·
        4 months ago

        no clue what OP is expecting to get out of this post aside from another ban

        is everything solved by bans here ? lol

    • ΛdΛm_𝒷@infosec.pubOPEnglish
      3·
      4 months ago

      There’s no modlog activity associated with the account you posted on.

      Yes there is, and the account was banned from the server afterwards, meaning the mod contacted the my server admin/mod and they banned me from the platform entirely

      It doesn’t sound like you were beeing nice in the community you were participating in

      vaguely put, but I’ll reply to this statement anyways… No I didn’t, I know better to mock an idea not a person, I never do the later

      if you were trying to cause a religious war.

      And where is that in the rule ??? … not that I did anyways, but stating a simple fact about someone’s ( Andrew Tate’s ) Religion is not starting “a religious war”

      you may not want to try to bait people into a heated topic about deeply held religious beliefs.

      So just because an ideology is wide spread I’m not allowed to crtisize it for fear of hurting people’s little feelings… No…that’s so so so wrong… all Ideas should be allowed to be criticized and mocked, that’s how you reach a sound conclusion that that idea is great or bad… how do you know that your ideology is correct if you don’t allow people to crtisize it ? you won’t… So if I wanna talk about religion because the topic requires it I will share my opinion and what I know about it… Or… yanno maybe I just won’t… And this is where I agree with you but for different reasons … It’s because the people are ignorant of what I’m talking about and they only see things from their perspective… They don’t think someone lives in an other nation and sees things differently…

      All I’m saying is … Don’t ban me and go out of your way to ask my mod to ban me, because

      A. You don’t know what I’m talking about B. You’re just like the people I criticized

      I have seen better modding before, I said stupid stuff before I have my flaws… And mods DMed and explained why it’s not cool to do that and even suggested what I should post next… When I’m wrong I totally will understand, but this time I’m not…

      It’s just feel so unfair now, people like Andrew Tate and Prophet Mohammed being openly homophobic, mysoginistic, violent…and I the person suffering from their actions because I’M A minority, I’m gay, I do live in Muslim country, I HAVE been and still going thru racism and discrimination, I’m the one who gets to be deplatformed but not these people with their shitty ideologies, what about my feelings ?? doesn’t it hurt to see mods siding with people like this… ? It sure does

      • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
        12·
        4 months ago

        Please link me to the mod log activity for your banning

        I am certain the account I link to is your account, but I’m open to being wrong, please link me your original account

        The behavior demonstrated by the linked account above, is very difficult to accept in a cohesive community. But I believe in people, and I’m sure you can become less combative over time. Of course when you link me your actual account that got banned, I can take a look at the activity, and realize that you are completely correct and I was wrong. And I’m open to that

          • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
            16·
            4 months ago

            Thank you for confirming your identity.

            https://awful.systems/modlog?page=1&userId=5667616

            Levi@awful.systems The user IDs are different, because these mod logs are from different instances, but it’s the same user

            Everything I said above still stands, you were being combative, you created a fresh sock puppet account to have these discussions. And you were correctly moderated off the instance.

            Quite frankly, if you hadn’t used a brand new sock puppet account, the moderators probably would have looked at your 9 months of posting history and participation, and just giving you a warning, or a temporary ban. But because clearly you came ready for a fight, they just banned the account.

            People do not want disruptive fights to break out all over their communities, if you want to have a thoughtful discussion about something controversial create a new thread for it, or go to the right community first. And then be respectful don’t try to incite rhetorical outrage, it doesn’t lead to healthy discussions.

            You can use this moment and feedback to figure out how to become a better online participant, and how more effectively communicate your perspectives.

            • ΛdΛm_𝒷@infosec.pubOPEnglish
              3·
              4 months ago

              you created a fresh sock puppet account to have these discussions. And you were correctly moderated off the instance.

              But because clearly you came ready for a fight,

              Please don’t make these assumptions about me, I made that account to delete this account not have fights… It’s just so happens my first comments were controversial ( lets put this way ) with that new account

              Also, I shared a lot of personal stuff on this account it doesn’t make sense if I keep it, if I wanna preserve my anonymity, that’s all, nothing more nothing less

              Quite frankly, if you hadn’t used a brand new sock puppet account, the moderators probably would have looked at your 9 months of posting history and participation, and just giving you a warning, or a temporary ban

              I see, Everything makes sense now

              • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
                12·
                4 months ago

                If you genuinely want to make a new account, yeah having productive polite discussions build your reputation. And that probably would support you having a couple divisive moments.

                It’s better overall, to only be constructive, and to approach controversy level-headedly.

    • ΛdΛm_𝒷@infosec.pubOPEnglish
      2·
      4 months ago

      You were looking for a fight, you found your fight, if you don’t want to get banned in the future you should have constructive discussions.

      Bruh, that’s just a comment, do you want me to put a whole essay debunking every claim in Islam and why Andrew Tate is a shitty person… In order for it to be constructive… I sure can

      I just said what I think… It’s called a comment … Not an article

      You made a new account, shopped around trying to be offensive. Found people to respond to. And now you’re coming here shopping for outrage that you got feedback on your other account

      Wow, that’s a brilliant and simplistic analysis to justify banning me… Isn’t that all of Lemmy people sharing opinions that other people might or might not agree with… saying I was looking for a fight… Is a very narrow minded conclusion

      You clearly knew what you were doing was wrong, you have a 9-month-old Lemmy account, but you made a brand new account to have your fights with. You wouldn’t do that if you thought you were correct

      So, Sherlock what does that mean… I make new account all the time, for privacy reasons… And why would I come here to share what happened and link to the mod log… i must be a psychopath is that what you’re saying ?

      You might want to look at this users (from your instance) sock puppet activity

      So let’s reverse this, I will tag your admins and say you’re in support of the mod who banned me, because it’s clearly y’all support Nazi ideology and Andrew Tate, highly likely to be pedos… It’s the least I can do.

      Please stop replying to me now

      • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
        16·
        4 months ago

        So let’s reverse this, I will tag your admins and say you’re in support of the mod who banned me, because it’s clearly y’all support Nazi ideology and Andrew Tate, highly likely to be pedos… It’s the least I can do.

        Please stop replying to me now

        I actually just read your message now, this is exactly why you got banned. You take a disagreement where people are being civil, and go to an extreme. Insulting both them, their thoughts, in the most divisive way you can think of.

        In fact, you haven’t learned anything from this experience. Would you act this way in person? You meet somebody at the airport and you just go down this path? Why do you think this is a good way to communicate? Do you think this is good rhetoric? Are you being persuasive here? Somebody you disagreed with, will now agree with you?

        At best the conversation derails into name calling, at worst now you have people arguing so much, they drown out any other constructive conversation. This is a net negative for any community. This level of hate

        • ΛdΛm_𝒷@infosec.pubOPEnglish
          3·
          4 months ago

          I obviously didn’t mean to do that for real, I went to the extreme just to demonstrate a point… It’s the quickest way people get the point…

          calling for my admins to ban me is just… bizarre let’s just put it that way…

          So in a real life scenario you would call the cops if someone said something were they turned out to be the assholes ?

          Also, keep in mind that I’m here actually having a civil discussion, trying to understand what went wrong, why do admins do that ? getting different perspectives!! Unlike the mod who hides behind the ban button and bans no questions asked, we will never get their side of the story. Like I explained how does my comment fit in Rule 2???!!!

          • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
            11·
            4 months ago

            You still havent apologized for saying such terrible things about me. That speaks to your character. You have yet to accept any accountability for your own actions

            I did not call on the administer to ban you, I actually asked them to look at your sock puppet account and evaluate it. If one of my users created a sock puppet and was very disruptive on a different community I would want to know about it. At the very minimum I would want to have a conversation with them

            Yes I absolutely would call the police if someone was being disruptive. That’s literally what you’re supposed to do. See something say something.

            I’ve told you multiple times in this conversation exactly why you got banned, then you demonstrated it for yourself two messages ago in this thread. You’ve justified your account getting banned multiple times over, and you still have not seen the problem with your behavior.

            • ΛdΛm_𝒷@infosec.pubOPEnglish
              2·
              4 months ago

              You still havent apologized for saying such terrible things about me.

              again, I went to the extreme just to demonstrate a point, by framing you in certain image to your admins, it’s likely they agree with me, because I’m telling them what to conclude in the process not just what happened… It’s obvious I don’t believe or think that about a random I talk to online otherwise I won’t be talking to them

              Yes I absolutely would call the police if someone was being disruptive. That’s literally what you’re supposed to do. See something say something

              disruptive, I said… key word… Said… Nothing more… Do you call the cops for someone saying something? This translates to calling the mods just because you don’t agree with someone online

              I’ve told you multiple times in this conversation exactly why you got banned

              I didn’t say anything wrong in the comments that got me banned… This is what this post is about…

              1. Tate being a shitty person
              2. Prophet Mohammed Piss be upon him being a Pedo

              If ANYONE wants to debate me on that… Let’s go…actually scratch that … do your own research, and come back

              and you still have not seen the problem with your behavior.

              You explained that what got me banned is the account suspected of being a puppet account or something like that…

              Now you’re saying it’s my disability to learn form my mistakes ?

              which one is it ??

              • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
                6·
                4 months ago

                again, I went to the extreme just to demonstrate a point, by framing you in certain image to your admins, it’s likely they agree with me, because I’m telling them what to conclude in the process not just what happened… It’s obvious I don’t believe or think that about a random I talk to online otherwise I won’t be talking to them

                ### The Narcissist's Prayer

That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

                You need to take accountability for your actions if you ever want to grow as a human being. Being combative online is not a good way to live cuz it’ll spill over to your personal life

                You explained that what got me banned is the account suspected of being a puppet account or something like that…

                Now you’re saying it’s my disability to learn form my mistakes ?

                Being a narcissist is not a disability, it is a choice. You can choose better

                I gave you one possible reason why a moderator would ban a fresh account that is only posting combative things. They are completely justified for banning somebody being combative in their community.

                Would you want somebody acting like you talking to your children? Or your niece is and nephews? Is your language appropriate? Is your rhetoric coherent and constructive? Obviously not, so why should a moderator let you poison the well of their community? They are completely justified for removing a combative influence that you have demonstrated

                • ΛdΛm_𝒷@infosec.pubOPEnglish
                  4·
                  4 months ago

                  Being a narcissist is not a disability, it is a choice. You can choose better

                  Ok, I can see this is getting too personal for you, and you’re right, I guess I played with fire with the last paragraphe, and I apologize for naming you these names, I didn’t mean it like that, but before you speak to my character, just realize you haven’t commented on the subject matter ( point A + B that I talked about ) but instead just kept focusing on the premice of that discussion, your first explainer seemed well thought of, but this second explainer seem to be emotional, so I apologize for offending you, I can do better

                  Would you want somebody acting like you talking to your children? Do your niece is and nephews? Is your language appropriate? Is your rhetoric coherent and constructive? Obviously not, so why should a moderator let you poison the well of their community?

                  You’re holding me to some unrealistic standards for the internet discussions as a whole, very few people talk like you’re describing here on Lemmy, actually I never saw a single person here talking like that… It’s usually lots of swearing here, I just made a comment and I was being honest, could I have phrased my comment better ? Absolutely, english isn’t my first language, but I’m wrong in my statements, I highly doubt it

                  I also think we should differentiate between a toxic subject and a toxic individual, if as a mod you don’t want toxicity in your community by all means delete posts that you know will have toxic comments, this means Religion and Politics are not allowed, that would have been totally fine

  • li10@feddit.ukEnglish
    33·
    4 months ago

    If you’re getting this worked up then you need to step away from the computer for a while…

    You got banned from an internet forum for being obnoxious, probably by someone who just wants to keep toxicity off the platform.

    It’s not the end of the world, you’ll get through this. If it’s causing you that much distress then you should reflect on that and just try to move on.

    • AggressivelyPassive@feddit.deEnglish
      6·
      4 months ago

      I get the sentiment, though.

      Some places define “toxicity” as anything a millimeter away from the party line or any debate at all. And it’s just annoying that someone can abuse their power to silence everything they don’t like.

      Communities like this turn into Pleasentville.

    • ΛdΛm_𝒷@infosec.pubOPEnglish
      3·
      4 months ago

      you’re not getting the full context…I agree I should do more of what you said ( not spending too much time online ), but this is the first time I post about this online

      You see… this is a recurring theme, I’m addressing the whole problem here from its roots… Which is Mods and Admins deplatfoming people simply because they’re narrow minded and don’t know what the other person is talking about, they just know they don’t agree with it. That’s generally speaking

      Now to be more specific, any critism of Islam ( my old religion ) is not allowed for a looooot of mods it’s actually scary… I just wanted to share this because it could be

      1. Mods don’t know what they’re defending or…
      2. they actually support this ideology… Which is what worries me…

      probably by someone who just wants to keep toxicity off the platform.

      Is going out of your way to report me to my admin, who did agree with the other mod considered keeping a safe environment for you ?

      Nah, that sounds like someone got salty and took it personally to be fully honest

      If it’s causing you that much distress then you should reflect on that and just try to move on.

      Again, this is not just about me, I knew a lot of exmuslims who crtisized Islam and got deplatfomed, mainly because the deplatfomer doesn’t know their stuff, that’s fine I’m not expecting them to learn another language and read the Qur’an, but try to solve this in more civilized manner, maybe hide the comment until your verify it, or just delete it if you feel it’s too much trouble to deal with… way better peaceful appoach in my opinion

      Also, I just wanted to get other people perspective…

      • jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
        16·
        4 months ago

        Nobody here wants to re-litigate the moderator’s decision.

        If we don’t have the correct context, link us to the context so we can see the correct context.

        If you really want to have a thoughtful, non-combative discussion about religion, check out !religion@lemmy.world