As a disabled person, I face ableism and ableist language every day. Some people use ableist language without even knowing that it is ableist. I thought it would be good for folks to take a look at the attached BBC article and expand their perspectives a bit.
if left handed people were still marginalised your comparison might be valid, but they aren’t so it isn’t.
No we don’t, especially since no, they haven’t
you would be wrong
https://thebodyisnotanapology.com/magazine/stupid-is-an-ableist-slur-breaking-down-defenses-around-ableist-language-liberating-our-words/
yet that’s exactly what you are doing.
You should be able to remove a few words from your vocabulary to reduce harm to already marginalised people, without arguing about it or trying to “logic” your way out of it. It isn’t a big ask, but rather the very bare minimum.
Uh, I’d rather good faith discussion instead, actually.
Just noticed you’re using kbin.social. Checks out.
@ram
Not the person you were talking to but wait… why… I thought kbin was one of the more chill instances? Have we got a bad reputation in your neck of the woods?
It’s a personal observation I’ve noticed, I go into more detail here if you’re curious.
Thanks, perspective’s a strange thing, to me it always feels like the bad faithers are from the biggest instances but that’s just because of the size of them.
The theory we joined kbin over politics surprises me. I joined because I found the interface so much easier to use than lemmy, and also it has a lot of features like the ability to block domains or instances by myself, and the cool interfacing with mastodon. We also turned out to have a cool dev and transparent finances which is nice.
I think some of us who joined kbin before we federated are kind of in a bit of a diy small magazines vibe and don’t really mix it up as much.
Although we can see the names of people who upvote and downvote us, Kbin doesn’t seem to federate all downvotes, so I guess we can be kind of oblivious to disapproval from outsiders.
wrt not federating all downvotes, you sure that’s not because the commenter or poster is from an instance that disables downvotes? If they disable downvotes, then all downvotes will only be localized to your instance (i.e. every downvote you’ll see on that comment/post is from kbin.social users, and me, lemmy.ca users)
No, there’s definitely more to it than that. I don’t fully understand, but to give you an example, @ram, here are screenshots of how your comment about kbin above looks to me:
From visiting your instance, not signed in
From kbin
From my test account at lemmy.world
(All sorted by old). As you can see, the voting is very different viewed from kbin.
Huh that’s really interesting. I wonder why that is then.
@ram
Not sure, I’ve only been able to find snippets of dev discussion on it but as far as I can tell it’s part of Ernest’s philosophy.
He used to have the upvote button mean sharing and the “boost” button for upvotes, but he reconfigured it because we all got too confused.
This way we can never vote brigade, or be brigaded either, I guess?
But kbin is still being built, it’s a lot newer than Lemmy, so who knows what the future holds. It’s interesting that different instances will have a wildly different picture about whether a comment is popular though.
Does kbin.social have some kind of reputation or something? I’m not defending the commenter BTW.
I’ve never noticed us having one before, I think (hope) it’s just that one person.
I’m not defending the other guy, but what’s wrong with kbin?
I just notice time and time again that kbin.social is populated by users who act in bad faith. I assume it has something to do with people repulsed by communists tending to stay away from lemmy instances due to the M-L association. Of course, kbin.social is the biggest instance of its software, but it’s a trend I keep noticing.
Nothing inherently, it’s an open instance with almost no rules regarding discourse though so you will find a lot of trolls and bad faith comments coming from kbin.
I agree with you, but why are you disparaging kbin? Plenty of good discussion here, and a good community.
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Ad hominem only applies when using an attack on a person as an argument. This person’s clearly not behaving in good faith, so why are they entitled to a good faith reply?