On this day in 1991, Linus Torvalds announced he was working on what would become Linux - eviltoast
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    What would it take for Linux to run all the hardware and software it needs? Companies need to make develop for Linux. In order for that to happen, Linux needs market share to make it profitable for them. But in order for Linux to gain market share, it needs to run all the hardware and software it needs. So in other words in order to get market share, Linux needs market share. How does it do that without being preinstalled on devices?

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      1 year ago

      You are missing the most important issue:

      WHY

      Why would anyone want to waste their time with Linux when WIndows works perfectly fine?

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        1 year ago

        They would for the same reason they use Linux on their Chromebooks, Android phones, Pixel watches, Steam Decks or TrueNAS server. It’s pre-installed. Why do you think that argument is an “excuse” is my question.

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          1 year ago

          No one would care if a Chromebook ran Linux, Windows, BeOS, AmigaOS or anything in between. The OS is a means to an end, something that the Linux community constantly forgets. People don’t run an OS, they run software.

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            And how does Linux get software? I was discussing that two comments ago, we’ve now come full circle.

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              1 year ago

              Why should software companies release a Linus version of a piece of software? Most don’t bother with MacOS and they own about 20% of the desktop market. Linux is just 3%. They aren’t going to do that out of the goodness of their hearts and this isn’t a small ask, either. Would probably mean a total rewrite. To make matters worse is that Linux community seems to be all about free software, so getting them to actually PAY for something seems near impossible. So where does that leave you?

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                Why should software companies release a Linus version of a piece of software?

                It isn’t about supporting Linux, it’s about supporting the hardware that comes with it on it. The Steam Deck demonstrates plainly that good hardware with Linux on it will receive dev attention. Game developers now talk and brag about “Steam Deck support” (which is actually just Linux support) for every major game release. It’s not an “excuse”, pre-installed Linux does work.

                Most don’t bother with MacOS and they own about 20% of the desktop market. Linux is just 3%.

                I have a hard time believing MacOS is even close to 20%. Hell on Steam Linux users outnumber Mac and the gaming demographic is lower on Linux to begin with. And lack of Mac software support is pretty obviously a result of them (fairly) recently dropping the x86 architecture, so companies have to remake a lot of software for them and it’s not easy.

                I don’t see you proposing any solutions to this problem. So your opinion is Linux just doomed forever? Microsoft owns this market and that’s it, competition isn’t possible and the world has to use their closed source operating system for the rest of time?

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                  1 year ago

                  Works for me. I have zero time to waste on Linux. I know Windows. I use Windows and have few problems with it. I am Average Joe Computer User. You have yet to give me a single reason why I would ever care enough to use Linux other than some “Grrrrr M$ IS BAD” reason. Why should I?

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                    1 year ago

                    What’s wrong with monopolies?
                    Why should I value my privacy?
                    Why should I use code that is open and freely auditable instead of closed and proprietary?
                    Why should I have more ownership of my computer?

                    These are the questions you are essentially asking, and while I could write a whole treatise on it I doubt you would change your mind anyway. Enjoy using Windows.