Hamas leader said civilian death toll could benefit militant group in Gaza war - eviltoast

The military leader of Hamas has said he believes he has gained the upper hand over Israel and that the spiralling civilian death toll in Gaza would work in the militant group’s favor, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal, citing leaked messages the newspaper said it had seen.

“We have the Israelis right where we want them,” Yahya Sinwar told other Hamas leaders recently, according to one of the messages, the WSJ reported Monday. In another, Sinwar is said to have described civilian deaths as “necessary sacrifices” while citing past independence-related conflicts in countries like Algeria.

The messages reported by the WSJ offer a rare glimpse into the mind of the man steering Hamas’ thinking on the war and suggest an uncompromising determination to continue fighting, regardless of the human cost.

Sinwar’s alleged comments emerged as US Secretary of State Antony Blinken was on another tour through the Middle East to push all sides to agree to the latest proposal. Speaking from Tel Aviv on Tuesday, Blinken made it clear that the US believes Sinwar is the ultimate decision-maker.

“I think there are there those who have influenced, but influence is one thing, actually getting a decision made is the is another thing. I don’t think anyone other than the Hamas leadership in Gaza actually are the ones who can make decisions,” Blinken said, adding that “that is what we are waiting on.”

Blinken said that Hamas’ answer to the proposal will reveal the group’s priorities.

“We await the answer from Hamas in and that will speak volumes about what they want, what they’re looking for, who they’re looking after,” Blinken said. “Are they looking after one guy who may be for now safe … I don’t know, 10 stories underground somewhere in Gaza, while the people that he purports to represent continue to suffer in a crossfire of his own making? Or will he do what’s necessary to actually move this to a better place, to help end the suffering of people to help bring real security to Israelis and Palestinians alike.”

In early messages to ceasefire negotiators, Sinwar seemed “surprised” by the brutality of the October 7 attack on Israel.

“Things went out of control,” Sinwar said in one of his messages, according to the WSJ, adding he was “referring to gangs taking civilian women and children as hostages.”

“People got caught up in this, and that should not have happened,” Sinwar said, according to the WSJ.

  • AbsentBird@lemm.eeOP
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    20
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    5 months ago

    UPDATE: Hamas accepts UN ceasefire resolution, ready to negotiate over details, official says

    Hamas accepts a UN Security Council ceasefire resolution and is ready to negotiate over the details, senior Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhri told Reuters on Tuesday, adding that it was up to Washington to ensure that Israel abides by it.

    Hamas accepts the UN security council resolution in regard to the ceasefire, withdrawal of Israeli troops and swap of hostages for detainees held by Israel, he said.

    “The U.S. administration is facing a real test to carry out its commitments in compelling the occupation to immediately end the war in an implementation of the UN Security Council resolution,” Abu Zuhri said.

    • DolphinMath@slrpnk.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      5 months ago

      and is ready to negotiate over the details

      I feel like this should have been the headline. Hopefully it turns into something real.

      • AbsentBird@lemm.eeOP
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        6
        arrow-down
        3
        ·
        5 months ago

        Yes, very exciting news. Now we need to make sure Israel keeps their side of the agreement.

          • AbsentBird@lemm.eeOP
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            5 months ago

            We’ll have to see what Blinken can do about it. He said he has a high confidence Israel will agree to the deal if Hamas does. I’m interested to see if the US can apply enough pressure to get a ceasefire in place.

  • AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    5 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The military leader of Hamas, Yahya Sinwar, said that the Palestinian militant group has the upper hand over Israel in the war in Gaza, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal, citing leaked messages the newspaper said it had seen.

    The WSJ reported that in one message Sinwar said civilian deaths in previous conflicts were “necessary sacrifices,” citing past independence-related wars in places like Algeria.

    As Israel prepared to enter Rafah before the Muslim month of Ramadan in February, the WSJ said Sinwar urged Hamas’ political leaders not to make concessions and instead push for a permanent end to the war.

    Mediators are waiting for a Hamas response to an Israeli proposal presented by President Joe Biden last month – which aims to release the hostages in Gaza and implement a ceasefire there.

    The comprehensive three-stage peace deal, which sets out conditions intended to lead to the eventual release of all remaining hostages, in return for a permanent ceasefire and withdrawal of Israeli forces, was first laid out publicly by US President Biden on May 31.

    The landmark vote means the UNSC now joins other major global bodies in backing the plan, increasing international pressure on both Hamas and Israel to end the conflict.


    The original article contains 910 words, the summary contains 205 words. Saved 77%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • Maggoty@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    5 months ago

    Welcome to resistance ideology. When people are oppressed casualties become recruitment and death becomes duty. This happened with the Irish, the South Africans, the Algerians, the Native Americans, and on, and on, and on.

    And your condemnation of it only works in their favor because it shows you do not understand the position they’re in.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        23
        ·
        5 months ago

        See the part where I said “that isn’t exactly news.”

        This also isn’t exactly news.

        • AbsentBird@lemm.eeOP
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          19
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          5 months ago

          I thought this story was interesting. Especially the messages about how the taking of civilian hostages should not have happened. We don’t often get a glimpse into the mind of Hamas leadership like this. It can be hard to know what’s intentional and what’s not. You said the dying isn’t exactly news, which is why I haven’t been posting about that.

    • goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      12
      arrow-down
      8
      ·
      5 months ago

      It’s almost like there’s a well understood reason for why people become terrorists.

      Seriously who’s surprised by this

      • teslasaur@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        12
        arrow-down
        16
        ·
        5 months ago

        Yes, they believe in a different fake man in the sky from the other ones, and that justifies their actions. Religion is poison for the mind.

        • Patapon Enjoyer@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          13
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          5 months ago

          Yeah it has nothing to do with seeing your family starve day after day until they’re murdered. They have the stupid disease so they’re stupid, that’s the only reason.

          • teslasaur@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            7
            arrow-down
            14
            ·
            5 months ago

            So you’re just gonna ignore the reason why they fight to begin with? So they can just do exactly the same thing again in a year or two cause the primary reason remain?

            They can’t coexist with make-belief-reasons to kill each other.

            • catloaf@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              12
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              5 months ago

              “I want your land” isn’t a make-believe reason.

              • teslasaur@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                3
                arrow-down
                8
                ·
                5 months ago

                …and why do they fight over the land? Could it maybe have a little something to do about the various nonsense they believe that was made up by un-scientific societies from 1500-3000 years ago?

                Stop trying to make it a recent conflict over something logical when it clearly isn’t.

        • Jimmyeatsausage@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          5 months ago

          Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all have the same fake man and in the sky. They’re fighting over who his message boys were…but that really isn’t very relevant in the current situation.

          • APassenger@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            5 months ago

            I mean yeah, but… No?

            Their stories are different. It’s like saying that three fan fics by three different authors that use a select few “same characters” actually have the same characters… When they behave in ways that are incompatable with the other fan fics.

            That’s kinda the problem. That and geography. They all think the same patch of land is super important. And the land around that is important, too.

            This is one of the ways that those "same characters (gods) " were incompatible.

            When you back away from it all, it’s the God of Abram/Abraham. But the details matter to adherents. And the details are quite different.

            The us and them created by those stories is essential to understanding this. And the land grabs. And the killings. And the rationale.