Patriarchy harms boys and men, too. Helping them realize this is key to erasing toxic masculinity - eviltoast
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    5 months ago

    The problem is that the “Kill all men” extremists are often the loudest which causes many to think that feminism in general is like that.

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      5 months ago

      Yep. There’s an unfortunate amount of people who cloak themselves under the guise of being a feminist, or claiming to care about women’s issues, that could be more accurately referred to as misandrists.

      It’s my belief that there’s a heavy overlap between these people and TERFs. With TERFs hating trans women in particular (notice how prominent TERFs like JKR never seem to talk about trans men? It’s always “men in dresses infiltrating women’s public toilets”, which amusingly is also pushing the misogynistic idea that women are delicate fragile flowers that eternally need protection in every aspect of their lives).

      But why? Why trans women in particular? Because not only do these TERFs view trans women as men, it’s worse. They view trans women as men infiltrating their women-only “club”, and that’s something they don’t tolerate.

      It’s unfortunate that terminally online minorities within movements that screech the loudest can have such a profound effect on the image of that movement. I think it’s also a big part of why menslib movements struggle. People hear anything to do with it and their brain is clouded with preconceptions like angry incels, Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, etc. People who often purport themselves as activists of men’s rights, when in reality they’re usually either grifters or people yearning to be back in the 1950s.

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        It’s unfortunate that terminally online minorities within movements that screech the loudest can have such a profound effect on the image of that movement.

        It’s cause we are in the age of valuing the loudest opinion not the most logical.

        Lack of education is a hell of a drug.

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        5 months ago

        Fucking hilarious how much a ferengi has to say about feminism! Thanks for commenting(and for the comment too!) so i got to see this.

        And thanks to all you who upvoted it and helped me see it as well

        Edit: yes i did notice its nagus and not negus but im okay with what i said

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      5 months ago

      In my experience, in general for all movements, loudest ones are always a bit more extreme and sometimes over the edge. It seems to be very strongly coupled with activism and in many cases drives the movement forward. So I have trouble accepting that reason as an excuse to so quickly dismiss something, especially a major movement.

      However this is a very widespread issue and a reason my comment sounded a bit annoyed. But since it is an actual problem, articles and discussions like this are important and meaningful. Hope your community keeps growing and more men who struggle with of abuse from the patriarchy are able to find a safe space and a support system 🧡

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      5 months ago

      And these both side feminist are on the same team as the “kill all men” ones. I’ve never seen any “real feminist” call these ones out.