I am genuinely confused by hexbear's opinion on the Ukraine war - eviltoast
The panic is starting as the reality that the war is lost sets in - Lemmygrad
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What I have learned:

  • Russia has already won the Ukraine war
  • Which NATO started
  • A lot of people in the West think that Ukraine should surrender
  • Also Ukraine was the world’s main provider of CSAM
  • Also Ukraine is exploited by the West but if they can unite with Russia then their economy and everything else will finally be alright

It’s literally like a bizarro world and everyone is over there agreeing with it. I’m genuinely confused by, who even are these people (what is the mixture of Russian bots / Russian-aligned ordinary people / confused Westerners / some other explanation.)

  • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
    3·
    5 months ago

    Cool, this is one of the most upvoted comments:

    I know right, crazy how that works. Imagine Russia telling Mexico they can fire missiles into Texas.

    Like yeah ok if the US was trying to annex Mexico and Russia started supplying the latter with weapons and discussing the ROE, then yeah

    I’m sure ‘DankZedong’ would like the ‘Mexinazis’ to keep their Russian missiles strictly south of the border in such a scenario

    • mozz@mbin.grits.devOP
      2·
      5 months ago

      I mean I do think that somewhere in the crazy is a valid point on that specific score. There’s actually a moderately close analogy in Nicaragua, which the US was actively attacking, and then they started sourcing fighter jets from Russia purely to try to defend against our air force actively fucking them up inside their borders, and the whole of the US political spectrum freaked the fuck out, took it to the UN, escalated the war, there were all these editorials about what a crisis it was, etc etc, and that was barely even on the same continent as us.

      This was all during the 1980s, when I actually think that US foreign policy was quite a lot closer to Russia’s current foreign policy than not. I think we’ve mellowed somewhat since then, although we’re still fine with killing civilians the world over when it serves our purposes. But yes, the US has a few data points worth of history of freaking out completely over “threats” from foreign alliances that are not even on the same continent (or hemisphere if you want to go back to the 70s) as us. I think the difference is that Russia has been antagonizing its neighbors on the west so thoroughly now that almost 100% of them actively want to gear up for real war with Russia, which I’m sure would make any country nervous regardless of how it got to be that way.

      • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
        2·
        5 months ago

        Yeah so their point sure is valid as long as you think the US was right to attack Nicaragua and they shouldn’t have tried to defend themselves