i don’t really see being too fragile as a powerful position….
it has definitely been abused by people pretending to be fragile… but the amount of very hostile, sexually aggressive people at many workplaces has made it this way, not the fragile people.
work is a place people are dependent on to make money to survive, with people they have to see every day.
a good friend of mine was a manager and very mildly cussed at a worker when they made a mistake… not even at her but just cussed as he was walking off….
she went to h.r., said it was because he hated lesbians (he doesn’t, has a lesbian aunt and several lesbian friends).
they fired him after ten years of being a good worker, working overtime or filling in whenever asked… never being late….
just fired him over one person saying one thing.
everyone else backed him up, but they didn’t care.
….
unions are pretty good, btw.
anecdotes aren’t data. even if this is true, which i don’t believe it is to be honest, it pales in comparison to the innumerable discriminatory practices towards women and all sorts of minorities. also even in your own friend’s probably distorted version of the events he’s in the wrong.
anything can sometimes get abused. that’s what abuse is; it’s different from use.
what do you mean i think i know your friend is in the wrong? i said he is in the wrong even if you take him at his word. that’s not me thinking it; it’s him admitting it.
you’re just boring concern troll trying to argue with everyone… i see your comment history.
every single comment is some condescending argumentative bullshit….
i’ll be blocking you and moving on to actual conversation
you don’t even know what the word you use mean. what concern trolling?
wow my comments are argumentative‽ it’s almost like I reply to a comment i disagree with and argue against it, maybe I should post more comments that say “this” instead so you can feel more in good company.
of course it makes a difference. that’s how power dynamics work. i think it’s very rich to complain about people being fragile while demonstrating peak fragility that you can’t just show porn to people who don’t consent to it.
Where did I advocate for open porn in the workplace? My only point was that it’s a sign of societal issues that there would be a gender based difference in how people see the issue. That’s not anti-woman, it’s just pointing out broader issues.
Another arbitrary imposition.
it’s not arbitrary… there’s this whole thing with sexual harassment and a hostile workplace that makes porn a bad idea for a large diverse team….
some reactions definitely go too far but it’s not arbitrary
You make a good point, it"s definitly part of the outline of that social wound.
Some people are so fragile and the topic that they consider mere exposure as an attack or harrasement.
And whoever is most fragile seems to the decider for everyone, of what is forbidden.
Really a powerful position to be in …
i don’t really see being too fragile as a powerful position….
it has definitely been abused by people pretending to be fragile… but the amount of very hostile, sexually aggressive people at many workplaces has made it this way, not the fragile people.
work is a place people are dependent on to make money to survive, with people they have to see every day.
a good friend of mine was a manager and very mildly cussed at a worker when they made a mistake… not even at her but just cussed as he was walking off….
she went to h.r., said it was because he hated lesbians (he doesn’t, has a lesbian aunt and several lesbian friends).
they fired him after ten years of being a good worker, working overtime or filling in whenever asked… never being late….
just fired him over one person saying one thing.
everyone else backed him up, but they didn’t care.
….
unions are pretty good, btw.
anecdotes aren’t data. even if this is true, which i don’t believe it is to be honest, it pales in comparison to the innumerable discriminatory practices towards women and all sorts of minorities. also even in your own friend’s probably distorted version of the events he’s in the wrong.
my point is sometimes it does get abused…. but it’s in place for good reasons
and the fact that you think you know whether my friend was in the wrong or not means that you’re not worth talking to
anything can sometimes get abused. that’s what abuse is; it’s different from use.
what do you mean i think i know your friend is in the wrong? i said he is in the wrong even if you take him at his word. that’s not me thinking it; it’s him admitting it.
you’re just boring concern troll trying to argue with everyone… i see your comment history.
every single comment is some condescending argumentative bullshit….
i’ll be blocking you and moving on to actual conversation
you don’t even know what the word you use mean. what concern trolling?
wow my comments are argumentative‽ it’s almost like I reply to a comment i disagree with and argue against it, maybe I should post more comments that say “this” instead so you can feel more in good company.
let me guess, you’re not a woman.
The fact that someone’s gender makes a difference is part of that “social wound” they mentioned.
of course it makes a difference. that’s how power dynamics work. i think it’s very rich to complain about people being fragile while demonstrating peak fragility that you can’t just show porn to people who don’t consent to it.
Where did I advocate for open porn in the workplace? My only point was that it’s a sign of societal issues that there would be a gender based difference in how people see the issue. That’s not anti-woman, it’s just pointing out broader issues.
i didn’t say you were doing it. i was talking about the comment you referenced. seemed obvious.
Some workplaces do allow showing tits at work, but It’s not arbitrary. It’s imposed by societies norms.
Aren’t society’s norms arbitrary? There are certainly societies where showing tits is normal.
I know what you are saying but usually “arbitrary” is at the individual level, not at societal level.
E.g. laws being arbitrarily enforced but you’d never describe the law itself as arbitrary.
Your point is well illustrated with the Joseon trend in Korea in the late 1800’s. But that was more societal than individual.
While you’re not wrong, there’s a time and place for everything