America’s premier pronatalists on having ‘tons of kids’ to save the world: ‘There are going to be countries of old people starving to death’ - eviltoast

The highlight for me is coming up with some weird pseudoscience justification for why it’s okay to hit your kids.

      • flere-imsaho@awful.systems
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        6 months ago

        yes. but “there are too many people” is just a tired white supremacist trope; there are not too many people out there. (the “non-white” is usually silent in these statements. this is also how some people can be both pro- and antinatalist.)

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          I don’t care what color people are, and you have no idea what you’re talking about.

          We’re using resources way faster than the planet can provide them, we’re running out of land, we’re driving both global climate change and the fifth ever mass extinction of life in the billions of years of Earth’s existence.

          There are way too many people on the planet, we passed carrying capacity decades ago.

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            The world has enough for everyone’s need, just not for everyone’s greed.

            On average we humans use too much, yes. I don’t know if WWF (not the wrestling one) still does their yearly report, but anyway they used to and the only part of the world that in average was over carrying capacity was the West (the first world, the golden billion). And within countries there are also stark differences.

            Placing the blame on the poor billions of the world is at best ignorant and at worst racist (not saying that you are, but placing the blame on poor people with more pigments has been very common). Placing it on the billionaires is more fitting, though really it’s societal structure that upholds the growth obsession and produces billionaires. But at least the billionaires has power, and in general fights every attempt at making things slightly better, which makes it more fitting to blame them.

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            6 months ago

            those are extraordinary claims and i’m sure you can give pointers to peer-reviewed materials that back them up.

            when you will be doing that, please consider which parts of earth you feel are overpopulated, what quantum of global resources are they getting and what should be done with it; please convey the results of your considerations back to us.

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            6 months ago

            We are “running out of land” because instead of using that land for our food we use it to grow food for cattle which we then eat which is really shitty energy efficiency. We are “running out of land” because of our addiction for cheap meat. Which by the way is also a big driving factor for climate change.

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              Over 50% (!!) of the country I live in (hint: 6th biggest country by area in the world, so it’s a big bit of land) is used for cattle grazing.

              Sure, a fair amount of that land isn’t ideal for cropping, but a large portion of it would be, and the rest is what we have left of native vegetation. It’d be great if we stopped letting cattle trample it, and who knows, maybe we’d even have some land available for serious land-back and treaty talks??