Has anyone defederated your instance? Introducing Defederation Investigator - eviltoast

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.basedcount.com/post/113726

I couldn’t find any tools to check this, so I built one myself.

This is a little site I built: the Defederation Investigator defed.xyz. With it, you can get a comprehensive view of which instances have blocked yours, as well as which ones you are federated with.

The tool is open source and available on GitHub. Hopefully someone will find it useful, enjoy.

  • kitonthenet
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    629 months ago

    You should probably cache results so users aren’tspamming other instances

  • notceps [he/him]
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    Since I was using this to write a little defederation thing on which instances find hexbear so repulsive they had to defederate I noticed the number from exploding-heads go up quite a bit from the 75 to 170 now. I will make it a point to call out two specific instances for being hilariously disgusting feddit.de aka the german federation, and feddit.dk both defederated hexbear but didn’t defed the outright nazi instance exploding-heads earlier today, class act from the german and danish mod team.

    Also apparently they were aware of it two months ago but didn’t chose to act until today which yeah class act from the german admins. https://feddit.de/post/1151473?scrollToComments=true

        • notceps [he/him]
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          189 months ago

          Yeah a lot of germans are full on i-voted which is incredibly bleak because the SPD is full on let’s cut the education budget in half in fact we need to do so much austerity, Linke is well Linke. So yeah, I hate german libs a lot but I feel so sorry for my german comrades.

            • notceps [he/him]
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              89 months ago

              I don’t know if I want to harp on them too much, die Linke is pretty much only a thing in eastern germany. The west germany has basically suppressed them heavily, first by what some historians would call a ‘colonization’ of east germany due to just how fucking bad reunification was for eastern germany, as well as deliberate neglect by western germany letting the situation spiral out of control. A lot of Die Linke politicians were also illegally surveilled and harassed and were often smeared as red fash using horseshoe theory stuff.

              This leads us to now where they just suck like they are to the left similar to how AOC is to the left of Biden unable/unwilling to do anything so they’ll keep losing ground to the AfD they’ll not get anywhere.

              • barrbaric [he/him]
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                39 months ago

                sadness I knew they were supposedly the successor party to the ruling party of the GDR so of course they were beaten down and became moderates.

            • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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              69 months ago

              They’ve slowly bled voters because they spent the last couple years with infighting and are now about to split into a pro-imperialist ineffectual radlib wing and a transphobic social reactionary wing, which may lead to both new parties being too weak to make it into parliament any longer yea

        • Hastur
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          09 months ago

          You mean vigilante-style attacks on healthband life because you oppose their world view? You Germans have come full circle.

        • @barsoap@lemm.ee
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          Not checking easily verifiable information when going on a “muh they block tankies but not nazis” rant, essentially accusing the instance itself of being a Nazi cesspit, doubly sus when doing it to a German instance, is quite a mistake, yes.

          Also: Just checked, feddit.dk also blocks exploding heads. Both at least since 2023-06-15 (as per fba.ryona.agency). So two out of two wrong, nice, “but didn’t defed […] exploding-heads earlier today” wrong, nice, that’s framed as if he just checked “earlier today”, and a fellow hexbear giving moral support to spreading malicious gossip instead of calling it out. And then you folks ask why people don’t like you.

          • iie [they/them, he/him]
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            19 months ago

            and then folks ask why people don’t like you

            I know why you specifically don’t like us lol. I recognize your username from the constant long arguments with hexbear users I see you get into.

    • @detox@infosec.pub
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      I will make it a point to call out two specific instances for being hilariously disgusting feddit.de aka the german federation, and feddit.dk both defederated hexbear but didn’t defed the outright nazi instance exploding-heads earlier today, class act from the german and danish mod team.

      You make a point that you have no idea what you are talking about but spread missinformation.

      Also apparently they were aware of it two months ago but didn’t chose to act until today which yeah class act from the german admins. https://feddit.de/post/1151473?scrollToComments=true

      The post you are referring to was a federated cross-post, besides that archive.org from 2 month ago proves you are wrong:

      https://web.archive.org/web/20230612194607/https://feddit.de/instances

  • @russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net
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    289 months ago

    Looks like the usage may have gone over Vercel’s usage policy (I’m not super familiar with Vercel)? I see the following when trying to bring it up:

    402: PAYMENT_REQUIRED 
    Code: DEPLOYMENT_DISABLED
    
  • @Mane25@feddit.uk
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    279 months ago

    That’s very useful, thank you @Nerd02@lemmy.basedcount.com

    Just to note if copying the URL you have to strip off the https:// or else it won’t work (maybe people just don’t copy that these days, but I ran in to that problem anyway).

    • @stebo02@sopuli.xyz
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      219 months ago

      how many instances that instance is blocking "and* how many other instances are blocking that instance

      how’s that helpful if you don’t know which ones

    • krolden
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      49 months ago

      Very cool, ive been wondering about who defeds the most and now I know. Thanks.

      • barrbaric [he/him]
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        199 months ago

        For what it’s worth hexbear wouldn’t have federated with them anyway because the site is staunchly against hosting NSFW content.

      • @14th_cylon@lemm.ee
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        they are are extremely obnoxious mix of tankies and some other leftists who might have been slightly less obnoxious if they were on their own, but being in the group with said tankies, you don’t want them any more than the former

        i apologize for grammar structure of my sentence and hope it makes some sense

        if you have few days of time to kill you can check this thread where lemm.ee admin is asking lemm.ee users about their opinion on defederating them. they brigade the thread in such a way they make more than 77% of the 2k comments in the thread (not exaggerating - the thread has 1920 comments when viewed from lemm.ee and 425 when viewed from lemmy.world which blocks them) and explain their philosophy in the process. so you will understand stuff like “who absolutely needs to be murdered for the crime of having more money than you in order to make world more just place & other tankies’ wisdom”.

        you have to acknowledge that they did really good job of introducing themselves, though - i had no idea they even existed the day before that thread and i am firm proponent of “defederate. now.” today 😆

        • SeborrheicDermatitis [any]
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          319 months ago

          I don’t know why you are shocked and horrified when people engage with something on their own front page?

          That’s how federation works, is it not?

          It’s not brigading, it’s literally right there at the top of the front page, so of course people will comment on it.

          • @antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            39 months ago

            It certainly wouldn’t be brigading if the ratio of hexbear comments was proportional to its size. But I haven’t seen many lemmy.world comments there, for example, and they saw the thread in their feeds just as much as you did.

            That’s how federation works, is it not?

            Federation works by connecting various instances with different goals and different userbases. Those instances need a space to discuss those goals among themselves, where the admins can communicate with the users, etc. Some external engagement is to be expected, but one specific instance creating 3x more comments than all the others taken together (including the instance whose policy is supposed to be discussed) should, uh, raise an eyebrow.

            • barrbaric [he/him]
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              249 months ago

              Honestly it sounds about right. Prior to federation our news megathreads occasionally broke 1k comments over a week, and that’s only a small subset of the userbase. Hexbear users have cultivated a culture that encourages being more online, and we were already extremely online. No downvotes, for instance, means that if you disagree with someone you have to comment, and we obviously disagree with the political opinions held by the majority of people so there’s quite a bit there. Also worth noting that if an admin/mod expressly calls for us not to comment on a post, as was the case on the second defederation discussion post on blahaj, we won’t.

              • -V0lD
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                89 months ago

                I’m surprised at how reasonable and self reflective you are. Breaking the instances stereotype a tad

                But, you bring up a point that I’ve always wondered about. Why would an instance not have downvotes? If I hosted an instance I’d prefer to not implement upvotes rather than ever getting rid of downvotes, considering they are basically required to filter out the bad faith content without engaging with it.

                • Alaskaball [comrade/them]
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                  189 months ago

                  considering they are basically required to filter out the bad faith content without engaging with it.

                  Well there’s where the hexbear magic happens. If we see bad faith content it’s basically open seasons to very vocally inform the poster how bad faith their post is.

                • AOCapitulator [they/them]
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                  179 months ago

                  Breaking the instances stereotype a tad

                  when approached in good faith, 90%+ of Hexbears will level with you

                  When NOT approached in good faith (90% of the time) we don’t react as well

                • barrbaric [he/him]
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                  159 months ago

                  Early in the history of the site, some bigots were finding trans users and then downvoting all of their posts and comments. The admins confirmed this, and went through and banned the offending accounts, but they just made alts, so the permanent solution was to eliminate the downvotes. Our moderation is so strict that bad faith arguing is banned on sight.

                  Also we’re not as scary as all the libs would have you think. We’re just, again, extremely online, generally confrontational, and have political views outside the norm. All this adds together to make us abrasive when we have to explain something that’s taken for granted on our instance for the 50th time.

                  Also we have more emojis than anyone can remember, some of which render as giant on every other instance. Spoilered is a picture of a cartoon pig pooping which I'm using as a demonstration because I know it's one of the giant ones, and also one other emoji as a treat

                  kobeni-dance pigpoop

                • Puffin [any, they/them]
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                  159 months ago

                  I believe the original reason was that there were people downvoting trans positive content, and this let people be transphobic anonymously. (Conversely, transphobic content can easily be removed by moderators.)

                  And let’s be honest, despite what reddit people might say, people don’t only downvote bad faith content, they use the downvote as a “disagree” button.

                • kristina [she/her]
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                  queerphobic people were downvoting people just because they were gay/trans/etc, so we took note of those people, banned them, and removed downvotes so it couldnt happen again

                • eatmyass [he/him]
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                  if you see bad faith or shitty content you just tell the poster they’re a loser

                  like so:

                  pigpoop

                  edit: I’m not calling you a loser but the ppb usually functions as a downvote. You either argue with someone or just bully them with ppb until they leave the site or the mods ban them

            • booty [he/him]
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              159 months ago

              But I haven’t seen many lemmy.world comments there, for example

              Why would there be a large proportion of lemmy.world comments when the thread is literally about hexbear? You don’t expect hexbear users to have stronger opinions on that than lemmy.world users?

            • AcidSmiley [she/her]
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              159 months ago

              It certainly wouldn’t be brigading if the ratio of hexbear comments was proportional to its size. But I haven’t seen many lemmy.world comments there

              Have you ever seen how active our site is for its size? What you’re getting is just the normal amount of organic engagement when you offer our most prolific posters the opportunity to dunk on the most braindead libs outside of reddit.

            • booty [he/him]
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              Imagine you’ve got 100,000 people in a room. Let’s say they’re split between people wearing blue shirts, green shirts, and red shirts. But it’s not an even split. Half of the people in the room are wearing red shirts. Someone in a blue shirt steps up onto the stage and says, “Open discussion everyone: I think red shirts are assholes and we should kick them all out of the room.”

              What exactly do you expect to happen next?

              Those instances need a space to discuss those goals among themselves, where the admins can communicate with the users, etc.

              That’s not what the thread in question was. We were invited to join the discussion. If we had not been welcome to join the discussion, we would have stayed out of it.

              • @antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                Regarding the analogy:

                1. it’s not one but multiple connected rooms

                2. the room with people in red shirts has suddenly decided to connect with the rooms with the less numerous blue and green shirts

                3. it’s not “someone” in a blue shirt, it’s a significant number of people in blue shirts who think the red ones should simply return to their own room that they were perfectly happy with until now

                We were invited to join the discussion

                https://lemm.ee/post/4543536

                Where exactly do you see the invitation? I see “I am very interested to hear thoughts and responses from our own users.”

                • booty [he/him]
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                  the room with people in red shirts has suddenly decided to connect with the rooms with the less numerous blue and green shirts
                  think the red ones should simply return to their own room that they were perfectly happy with until now

                  go back to reddit. this is the fediverse, the entire point is that these are not, in fact, “separate” rooms. being connected is the default. that’s why it requires a giant discussion to kick anyone out.

                  Where exactly do you see the invitation?

                  It was posted publicly to all federated communities and absolutely no indication was made that the majority of people to whom the post was sent were unwelcome to participate.

                  On Hexbear, we have a rule that we have to leave meta discussions of other instances alone if they want us to. All the admin had to say was, “lem.ee users only” and we would’ve stayed out. If you refuse to take such a simple measure to restrict discussion to your own community, you do not actually want to restrict discussion to your own community.

                  And the admin didn’t. You can go ask him. He was not trying to keep hexbear users out or in any way offended by the fact that we participated in the discussion. Why are you (a member of neither instance) offended on his behalf?

            • Commiejones [comrade/them, he/him]
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              39 months ago

              Don’t hate us because we post like gods gift to the internet.

              You just cant match the raw power of our posting skills and that makes you feel weak and pathetic. As it should.

        • Rom [he/him]
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          you have to acknowledge that they did really good job of introducing themselves, though - i had no idea they even existed the day before that thread and i am firm proponent of “defederate. now.” today 😆

          Is that why you haven’t stopped whining about us ever since

          • @RobotToaster@infosec.pub
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            19 months ago

            Someone who claims to be a socialist, but who has a pathological obsession with identity politics and dividing the working class, and gives little regard to class consciousness or worker solidarity. Usually has an extreme hatred of patriotism despite patriotic socialism being the official ideology of the Soviet Union. Often defends lumpen behaviour to a bizarre extent.

            Did I miss anything?

            • Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]
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              Wait, you think hexbear “gives little regard to class consciousness or worker solidarity”? You think we’re only claiming to be socialist? You think we have a “pathological obsession with identity politics”? I would disagree about all of the above, honestly. I will grant you that I’m not a big fan of patriotism, because I live in the imperial core, and there is nothing good about america. Also, could you give me an example of what “lumpen behavior” you think we’re defending?

              I just realized, I have no desire to get in Yet Another Internet Argument. Please do not answer the above questions unless you really, really want to for some reason. Thanks for explaining your thinking, I very much disagree with you, but that’s ok! This is a 2 day old thread at this point and I’m trying to be less of an argumentative butthole online, so I’ll just say, I hope you have a great day!

    • Grownbravy [they/them]
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      99 months ago

      there are a lot of <250 user instances on that list.

      They would probably never see their local content again

  • @ram@feddit.nl
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    109 months ago

    What I’d really like to have is a tool that lists blocked communities. That information is not as public as defederated instances.

    • @Lucia
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      deleted by creator

      • Spzi
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        39 months ago

        It’s made by kiwifarms though

        I didn’t know, thanks for letting me know. I frankly do not care though, in the exact same way that I do not care that Lemmy is made by tankies.

        The interesting bit would be how people with these extreme agencies abuse these tools or their users to further their goals.

        As I see it, both cases are questionable people providing useful tools free for me to use. Wether I use these tools or not, has what impact in regards to their agenda? I certainly would not like to be a pawn in their game, or support their cause without consent.

        If you think that’s what happens, please show me. That would be very interesting to know and might lead to me ceasing usage / recommendation.

        • @Lucia
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          • @pingveno@lemmy.ml
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            69 months ago

            Lemmy devs may have controversial political views, but their software is written with a good intention. KiwiFarms on the other hand use it to target instances.

            Not just that, in all interactions with them, I’ve never found the devs to be anything but respectful.

            • poVoq
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              Well, that is partially because they leave the less respectful interactions to their alt-accounts ;)

              But yes, the software is written with good intentions.

            • @Lucia
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          • @can@sh.itjust.works
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            KiwiFarms on the other hand use it to target instances.

            I haven’t heard of them. What are they about?

          • Spzi
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            19 months ago

            I’m not sure how the developer’s intention or leaning affects me. Or how my usage or non-usage affects their intention or leaning, or how they can act on it. Maybe my usage provides data for them to improve their tools? But since the tools themselves are agnostic, I’m not sure how that’s a bad thing either.

            if there’s a good alternative with no such controversies

            Strictly speaking about functionality, I saw no alternative which is on par to the .agency tool. It has more features, is faster, provides more information and causes less strain on network servers. At least that’s my quick impression.

            Anyways, thanks for the conversation!

          • @SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world
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            19 months ago

            Lemmy devs may have controversal political views, but their software is written with a good intention. KiwiFarms on the other hand use it to target instances.

            Let’s go even further than that. Let’s say that the most annoying people around the whole Fediverse are Hexbear. On the worst days, all they do is to organize to spam specific threads, which is indeed annoying, but that’s the extent of it. KiwiFarms is responsible for harassing people until they commit suicide for the heinous crime of being weird. Anyone aware of this who wants to associate with them has no place in civilized society.

  • voxel
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    89 months ago

    aaaand it’s down. worked this morning but now it fails with PAYMENT_REQUIRED

      • @iso@lemy.lol
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        39 months ago

        They don’t have any contact info, I guess I should PM from another instance.

        Its really strange since there is no porn, controversial opinions or else on the instance.