I’ll level with you on that. Everyone is an ass sometimes for sure. I’ve been pretty facetious so far so I’ll try to be more legit in this comment, as you have been legit too.

I’m of course discussing an anecdotal perspective. I totally get down with a lot of what leftists discuss, when they do so constructively.

To clarify: much leftist discourse is about what’s wrong, and destruction of society (to build something better). Eventually it all smells of doomerism. I was anecdotally calling for leftists to talk about constructive things they are attempting, that “the rest of us” could see, and align with.

I acknowledge the world is in a rough spot right now. I acknowledge liberals are not always right. I acknowledge many liberal policies need to go. But from the perspective of the observer… The skeptic… The dude just paying bills and living, liberals are trying to build things, and affect change. Leftists seem to just want to destroy.

My hope would be that through constructive cooperation liberal “realistic” policy is brought closer to leftist idealistic goals.

*Realistic in that the policy actually gets voted on and made into law