How to opt out of the privacy nightmare that comes with new Hondas - eviltoast

There are lots of reasons to want to shut off your car’s data collection. The Mozilla Foundation has called modern cars “surveillance machines on wheels” and ranked them worse than any other product category last year, with all 25 car brands they reviewed failing to offer adequate privacy protections.

With sensors, microphones, and cameras, cars collect way more data than needed to operate the vehicle. They also share and sell that information to third parties, something many Americans don’t realize they’re opting into when they buy these cars. Companies are quick to flaunt their privacy policies, but those amount to pages upon pages of legalese that leave even professionals stumped about what exactly car companies collect and where that information might go.

So what can they collect?

“Pretty much everything,” said Misha Rykov, a research associate at the Mozilla Foundation, who worked on the car-privacy report. “Sex-life data, biometric data, demographic, race, sexual orientation, gender — everything.” . . .

  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Sex-life data, biometric data, demographic, race, sexual orientation, gender — everything.

    Do the seats have genital detectors now?

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      lol I think they mean the car, since it knows where it is, can help car companies figure out who you’re banging because you end up in the same room as the other person’s cell phone a lot of the time while you’re at that address. (Cell proximity is already used heavily to correlate data points, so it can pitch birthday present ideas to you for your mistress.) In this sense it’s really no different than knowing what your favorite shoe store is, but they mention applications for abusers to track their exes and partners: thus sex life in itself becomes important.

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        I’m guessing they interpolate it from the places people visit. Fertility clinics, strip clubs, brothels, etc. There’s no lower limit for a data harvesting scumbag with an MBA and a “cool new idea” for the c-suite.

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          Fuck, that’s totally it too. Scumbags with MBAs. The worst are the fresh out of college MBAs with no work experience that want to prove how “smart” they are.

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        That. Their sound and video recordings could pick up whatever you do in the car. But I think this is really just lawyers being cautious. (I hope)

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    6 months ago

    I’m in need of a new (to me) car soon and this is stopping me from even starting the shopping process. Now I know I can cross new Hondas off my list of consideration (I can’t stand to have notifications I can’t turn off). But that still leaves a lot research into information the car companies don’t want me to have and which I don’t want to have to do.

    Maybe I’ll buy an old Crown Vic. They drive forever and don’t look like any of the cars that local police currently use.

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      2010 to 2015 is my golden era. All the creature comforts like bluetooth, heated seats, etc, reliable, efficient engines (companies like Toyota and Honda still use most of the engines that were used in this era), but none of the big tech additions we’ve seen since.

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    2015 is about the absolute latest year I’ll shop for for numerous reasons. Apparently privacy is a new one for that list.

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      Then it’ll lock 70% of features and nag and spam you every time you start the car with warnings and notifications.

      I bought a samsung tv recently and I was shocked that only the antenna tv wotks without a samsung account.

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      6 months ago

      That quite often requires tearing the dash apart and removing the radio, sometimes even disassembly of it. Also voids your warranty.